The Worlds Greatest Deliberative Body---NOT

Tuesday, January 10, 2006
Agree with Terrye's post below--The Senatorial confirmation process has been reduced to Kabuki-like proportions--One suspects that most senators already have their minds made up and are primarily playing to their donors and constituencies--I mean, what sentient human being (even a Senator, although I am starting to wonder about Kennedy and Biden--both of whom apparently referenced non-existent "facts," ie, the Goldwater presidency and the questions for Harriet Miers) could fail to understand that the legal of code of ethics bars a nominee from commenting on cases likely to come before him/her--moreover, as I understand the law, one must know all of the facts which is what makes each case unique--hypotheticals, while interesting, tell a responsible jurist nothing.

I was complaining on my class listserv that one of the things a lay person lacks is a decent explanation of the legal issues involved--Lawyers make arguments to other lawyers in their particular argot--As I listened to comments about Alito "being in favor of machine guns," that is such a poor characterization of the issues underlying the case as to be laughable.

Does anyone know of a decent site that explains legal issues in lay terms? I certainly dont expect Senators to know or understand as they are simply pandering--but for the rest of the attentive public, it might be useful.

I am always impressed by both Mark Twain who referred to Congress as America's only true criminal class, and HL Mencken who said for every complex issue there is always a solution: neat, simple, and wrong.

85 comments:

markg8 said...

Why not just listen to Rush? He'll tell you everything you need to know! And if ya don't know any better it sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

Buddy Larsen said...

The senate is sort of like i imagine a royal court in the middle ages might've degenerated into, under a king who'd gone senile. For example, Ted's four distinct shaving cuts--big ones--yesterday. As if his make-up staff has gone DaDa, and played a joke on the boss and the country yesterday, as they prepped Sen. Weekend @ Bernie's for a little bout of pretending to read off a piece of paper into a camera.

Buddy Larsen said...

Seriously, the senate needs to join sausage-making as something best not witnessed.

flenser said...

What do the Democrats have against machine guns anyway?

David Thomson said...

Samuel Alito has nothing to worry about:

“A majority of Americans favor the confirmation of federal appeals court judge Samuel Alito to the U.S. Supreme Court...”

http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3576434.html

The politicians follow the polls. Everything else is secondary. No Republicans will vote against Alito. The Democrats don’t have the numbers. End of story.

Peter UK said...

Can't be razor cuts Buddy,Tedda uses electric,more like he missed with the glass.

David Thomson said...

“Why not just listen to Rush? He'll tell you everything you need to know!”

That’s actually fairly accurate. Rush Limbaugh is brilliantly insightful. I try to get my marching orders from him on daily basis. You should do likewise. I also recommend Michael Medved, Sean Hannity, Hugh Hewitt, Tony Snow, and Dennis Praeger. Unfortunately, I cannot add Michael savage to the list. He is a nut case rarely worthy of being taken seriously.

Knucklehead said...

RogerA,

Gaining some sense for the social and legal issues involved was, IIRC, the point of "civics" once upon a time. And the construction of a cogent line of reasoning was once the purpose of english composition. We seem to teach precious little civics in our schools anymore and composition seems to be about getting one's "feelings" down on paper.

Despite the legal vernacular with which court decisions (and dissents) are freighted they can be waded through and largely understood. And when they seem like impenetrable gobbledeygook that is a useful indicator. But few people seem interested.

Buddy Larsen said...

You're right, knuck--if you find yourself unable to follow the reasoning, then it ain't "reasoning".

Buddy Larsen said...

Peter, I guess that can happen, when you're really thirsty.

Syl said...

Actually it is very simple.

Follow the law instead of interpreting the law to fit a desired outcome.

The anti-Alito ads (anti-Roberts ads as well) advocate the opposite. Because they don't like the outcome, they presume failure of the judges to change the law. But changing the law is the job of the Legislative, not the Judiciary.

Even with the senatorial posturing this basic principle is coming through.

Peter UK said...

Yes Buddy,when you have that many jowls,hitting the right spot can't be easy.

Skookumchuk said...

Well, criminey, with work and everything I'm missing Joe Biden. :-)

Peter UK said...

Here is an unbiased view of Alito.
It would seen those unprinciple politicians are traducing a fine man,in the process attempinting to deny America's Supreme Court the talent it needs.Funny sort of patriotism.

Buddy Larsen said...

After watching the early hours of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s hearings on the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Samuel Alito, XM Satellite Radio offered Judge Alito his own drive-time talk radio program that it plans to run against Howard Stern’s new Sirius Satellite Radio show.

“Alito is smart and he’s edgy,” said an unnamed XM executive. “I watched him on C-Span this morning and kept thinking, this would be so much better if I weren’t watching it. On radio, the audience can’t tell that you’re not moving, or gesturing or even blinking.”

The Sam Alito Show, running on the subscriber-based radio network, won’t be subject to FCC content regulations, which means that the future Supreme Court Justice could “really let loose,” the XM source said.

“On C-Span, he’s limited to giving 8th-grade civics lessons to U.S. Senators,” he said. “But on satellite radio, he could really explore the subtleties of Constitutional law with an audience that could understand and appreciate it.”

Meanwhile, a spokesman said C-Span plans to market a DVD of the most thrilling moments of the Alito Supreme Court hearings, for only $19.95. The full price will be covered by the new Medicare prescription drug plan.

(from scrappleface, natch)

markg8 said...

A better read on Alito

Why is he so ashamed of himself?

Peter UK said...

Markg8,Alito isn't at all ashamed,why should he be? Some lefty numpty has just made this up.I have to say that that is a really adult site,when are you going to start getting your facts from the grown ups Mark?

This is what we mean when we say the Democrats are so unprincipled that they will work against the good of their country just for power.

Buddy Larsen said...

"This is what we mean when we say the Democrats are so unprincipled that they will work against the good of their country just for power."

You mean, even GB--Europe--the whole world--can see the donkey's arse?

Knucklehead said...

Mark,

In the case of Americablog.com you should have taken the advice you offered in the first comment on this thread,

Why not just listen to Rush? He'll tell you everything you need to know.

According to Americablog's masthead...

"Bunch of wackos" - Rush Limbaugh

A quick perusal of the site suggests Mr. Limbaugh has Americablog scoped about right.

Buddy Larsen said...

yeh, that blog just emphasises one of today's themes--the Dems have unmoored from any credibility-based reward system.

Buddy Larsen said...

jumped the shark....

Peter UK said...

Buddy,
Yes indeed,I don't have a horse in American politics,but I can smell the donkey's rear from here.I have never seen such an unedifying,unprincipled and unpatriotic sight,It seems more like a drunken brawl at a wake,don't they know people are watching?

We only have one George Galloway,the Democrats seem to be all Galloway,with a few honourable exceptions.

What is inexplicable is that one day the Democrats will be back in power,the condom machine can go back in the Oval Office,but they wil have lost so much credibility and respect that it will be a Pyhric victory.

flenser said...

I don't think Alito is ashamed of himself. I do think that like many on the right he is very adverse to conflict. He knows that he will be labled a racist bigoted homophobic toady to powerful interests, and spends too much time and effort in trying to prove he is not.

It's probably a generational thing. Republicans of a certain age have this bunker mentality that the Democrats cannot be defeated and must be appeased. Naturally, this draws contempt from the Democrats.

Not that they are in any position to talk. They have no interest in putting their case before the people themselves.

markg8 said...

Why do you insist Alito holds mainstream views if he keeps disavowing the views he's held through out his life?

Oh no he was never a member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton that hated the idea of admitting women and minorities to the university. Oh, ok he was. But he forgot. Since 1985 when it was a selling point on his resume to Ed Meese. Just ignore all the far right views he's had and promoted on voting rights, a woman's right to choose, executive powers, his whole life. He was only funnin' then, or trying to impress his bosses, or clients. We should believe what he says now and not what he wrote then because why? He'd never tell a lie?

He told the Senate he'd recuse himself in his confirmation hearing when he became a judge if any cases came before him regarding Vanguard Mutual Funds, a company he had investments with. He didn't. So much for that character thing.

If he's gonna sit on the court for the next 20 or 30 years he ought to answer questions about this stuff instead playing silly "I can't talk about it" games. Let the Amercian people know what his real views are and we'll decide if he's in the mainstream and react accordingly. Republicans don't do that and why? Because these fellas are far rightwing idealogues out of touch with mainstream American values.

markg8 said...

So instead of being labeled a "racist bigoted homophobic toady to powerful interests, and appeaser" he'll simply
pretend he's something he's not. I got it now.

Buddy Larsen said...

Mark, are you familiar with the conclusions of the background report and career assessment evaluation that Ted Kennedy recently had done on Alito?

Peter UK said...

"If he's gonna sit on the court for the next 20 or 30 years he ought to answer questions about this"

You have an amazing eye for the inconsequential Markg8,it is understandable that many Senators don't have the knowledge to question Alito's legal qualifications,but asking what club you belonged to when you were a young man is insane.
If you went to college you would know that on arrival at university students are bombarded with invitations to join a bewildering array of clubs,associations and organisation,which they mostly join to get to know people.

Alito does come higly recommended,but if you are going to appoint functionaries by politicla affiliation rather than ability,it will damage your nation.

Samuel Alito.

consistent and virtually unanimous comments from those interviewed include:

“He has the utmost integrity. He is a straight-shooter, very honest, (and) calls them as he sees them.”

“His reputation is impeccable.”

“You could find no one with better integrity.”

“His integrity and character (are) of the highest caliber.”

“He is completely forthright and honest.”

“His integrity is absolutely unquestionable.”

“He is a man of great integrity.”

On the basis of our interviews with Judge Alito and with well over 300 judges, lawyers, and members of the legal community nationwide, all of whom know Judge Alito professionally, the Standing Committee concluded that Judge Alito is an individual of excellent integrity.

Posted by John at 11:53 AM

flenser said...

So instead of being labeled a "racist bigoted homophobic toady to powerful interests, and appeaser" he'll simply
pretend he's something he's not.


As usual, you are not following along. He is being labled a racist bigoted homophobic toady to powerful interests. Don't you even read your own links?

Peter UK said...

"he decision to admit women to previously all-male colleges was controversial, but minorities have been admitted to Princeton for many years, and the suggestion that Alito or anyone else opposed such admission is a ridiculous slur."
more Democrat lies
Markg8 you are sticking too rigidly to your crib sheet,where do you get racist from.

Buddy Larsen said...

Big Pic, Mark, he's gonna win, and the Soo-preeme Court is going to be a step closer to strict construction. I don't why this should bother you--you guys have had a lefty court since Earl Warren, and if we don't have the Dictatorship of the Proletariat YET, then what makes you think one more lefty Justice will do the trick?

terrye said...

mark:

If I was interested in what you are talking about I would read your posts and follow your links, but I am not and I did not.

Sooo anyhow.... I figure that if Byrd can be a member of the KKK and still be a Democratic Senator and if Kennedy can leave his girlfriend to drown and still be a Democratic Senator and if Hillary Clinton can make a lot of money in very questionable ways and still be a Democratic Senator and if Kerry and Feinstein and can be incredibley wealthy and still do their power to the people thing and be Democratic Senators..... then maybe we can overlook some of the self righteous posturing done by Democrats now and just look at the man's life and his decisions and his years and years of experience and not allow some cheap partisan posturing to get in the way.


Silly me.


nag.... nag.... nag.... nag... nag...That is all these people are doing.

I find the knee jerk need to go after Alito ridiculous. Lucky for Ginsberg she did not have to go through all this, she never would have survived it.

terrye said...

I heard part of what Alito said yesterday and he talked about going to Princeton.

He was not wealthy or well connected and did not come from the kind of people who went to college anywhere, much less Princeton...and then he gets there and it is the 60's and people are shutting down the college and rioting and I kind of got the impression he thought they were acting like spoiled brats. They had everything, they were part of a world people like him were not often a part of and instead of being grateful for their oppurtunities and their privileges, they were shutting the place down.

I just got the feeling that Alito was effected by that in a negative way.

Peter UK said...

One has to wonder how dedicated Markg8 is to your Constitution when he will only accept Democratic nominations for the Supreme Court.

RogerA said...

I find it hard to believe the bar has been set so low, but our friend Mark may be even more dense that Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy--You should probably acquaint yourself with some important facts, Mark--for one, the legal code of ethics prohibits a nominee or candidate from stating how he or she would rule on cases--the Ginsburg rule is a crock--the canon of legal ethics prohibits such a thing.

As for the Vanguard case it had nothing to do with vanguard--the case was between two litigants over who was entitled to some shares of Vanguard--Vanguard was a defendant only in the narrow sense--whatever ruling Judge Alito would have made, Vanguard would have paid the winner of the suit--

Take the time to understand what the cases are before you make such an ignorant ass of yourself--

I dont know what test you use for mainstream judges, but a very simple test is how many times Alito's opinions have been overruled--and the answer is, not very many--In short, he is in the mainstream of legal jurisprudence-

Just what is your test for whether a jurist is mainstream? We await your answer.



What a putz.

Buddy Larsen said...

The reason Ginsberg got treated fairly, is that she was approved of by the nasty people.

Peter UK said...

It would seem that the Democrats are so desparate for a victory,any kind of victory,that they would support a piece of mindless protoplasm to the Supreme Court if it were a Democrat.
Any recommendations folks?

Buddy Larsen said...

Hugo Chavez would probably get a fair hearing.

Buddy Larsen said...

"Three out of four Venzolanos didn't even bother to vote last election? Congratulations, El Hefe, one outta four ain't bad!"

terrye said...

Speaking of Hugo Chavez, is there any chance that Harry Belafonte will stay in Latin America?

Buddy Larsen said...

I don't why he doesn't just move permanently, given how horrible America is.

flenser said...

peterUK

I think that if you picked a senate Democrat at random, odds are good that they would meet those criteria.

The Republicans are nothing to brag about, but the Democrats are enough to make you start reconsidering this whole democracy business. My God, these people are dumb!

Peter UK said...

I would just be grateful if he didn't sing.

Buddy Larsen said...

he can't, hugo ate the banana boat.

markg8 said...

Ginsburg was approved because Clinton went to the Senate Repubs and got their consent. She didn't try to hide her work for the ACLU. She was proud of it.

You can be sure Alito's words yday were about hippy antiwar protesters and feminists and not the frat boys he palled around with in the CAP who complained about the "n*ggers and the dykes" ruining their school at their keggers while trying to get a townie girl drunk enough to go upstairs with them all.

Alito's story on the disgusting CAP now is as Armando puts it: "he didn't do it, and if he did do it, he doesn't remember, and if he did do it and does remember, then he had a good reason for doing it."

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flenser said...

Are you happy now, buddy? You wanted more of marks penetrating insights.

Peter UK said...

Markg8,
"not the frat boys he palled around with in the CAP who complained about the "n*ggers and the dykes" ruining their school at their keggers while trying to get a townie girl drunk enough to go upstairs with them all."

You are getting drunk again,your vile personal fantasies are gibbering out.There must be sites where you can indulge these impulses if you need gratification.

terrye said...

mark:

Alito was saying the same thing I have heard working class people say when they have to witness rich white liberals go through their radical stage.

Today those same people are probably still rich, still white, and still privileged.

They gave up nothing.

Alito's people on the other hand sacrificed and he worked hard just for the oppurtunity to be there.

mark I left the Democrat Party because they have to be such smug self satisfied preachy finger pointing puritans all the damn time.

look at us, we care, we are perfect, we are openminded.

[just so long as the white trash don't actually move in next door or anything]

markg8 said...

Ah Petey if and when you ever go off to college maybe you'll understand.

terrye said...

mark:

speaking of the N word how many times do you think Byrd has said it? And if he can be forgiven for his past there really should be a moratorium for making up lies about people like Alito who have never done you any harm.

I think it is time for flenser to exercise his comment delete function.

markg8 said...

"smug self satisfied preachy finger pointing puritans" are the base of the Republican party young lady and you'd best remember that. They only tolerate you as long as they need you. Then it's out the door like the rest of the hired help.

Peter UK said...

"if he did do it, he doesn't remember, and if he did do it and does remember, then he had a good reason for doing it."

Markg8 this Garritarian logic may pass for reason in the strange world you occupy,but it isn't logical.

Doing and remembering are not causal to intent,go back and tell Armando he is wrong.

I think you have also blown your opportunity to become a member of the Supreme Court

terrye said...

Actually I was an anti war demonstrator, at IU. Indiana University.

And looking back on it all I can think of is how much time and energy I wasted.

RogerA said...

Mark--where in the world do you find the drivel you post? Were is your outrage that Robert "Sheets" Byrd was a kleagle in the KKK and is now the "conscience of the Senate." That Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden should have crimanal records: Manslaughter and Plagiarism--

I return to my question--I gave you my standard for mainstream--please tell me what you consider to be a mainstream jurist--how would you know one if you saw one?

Geez man--please try to grow a brain.

terrye said...

Peter:

Don't waste your time. Mark is the most simple minded of creatures, a yellow dog Democrat.

It requires neither thought nor insight.

flenser said...

If all of marks excesses are tossed, people start getting the idea that he is more reasonable than is the case. It's worth leaving a few such comments just to remind people what his true nature is.

Peter UK said...

Markg8,Ah yes College,you never went did you? A shame, you could have met those kids face to face and told them to enlist,so much more personal than an email.

markg8 said...

Tell it to Alito Petey. This is a guy who would have us believe he doesn't recall being a member of a racist and sexist organization that objected to women and minorities being admitted at Princeton, despite having included it in his job application to work for Ed Meese in 1985. I can tell ya I remember what I was doing in 1970 and what I put on job applications in 1979. Nobody who has a memory that bad or lies that badly is qualified for the SC.

markg8 said...

I went to UIC, University of Illinois Chicago. A lovely place surrounded by
Greektown to the north, an Italian neighborhood to the west and Maxwell St to the south.

Peter UK said...

Terrye,
"smug self satisfied preachy finger pointing puritans" are the base of the Republican party young lady and you'd best remember that."

I think you have made an impression young lady."Here's lookin' at you Kid".

flenser said...

Nobody who has a memory that bad or lies that badly is qualified for the SC.

From which it follows that anybody who has a memory that bad is qualified for the SC?

flenser said...

So what did you get a degree in, mark?

Peter UK said...

Markg8,
If you had gone to college,or even enlisted they would have tought you how to read.As I posted above, Princeton was already admitting minorities when Alito was attending.

Look old man ,I understand you have to make a buck,but at least get the latest release from headquarters,the racism angle has been busted.

You must have had a very boring time in the 70s if you can remember them,still I can understand "Marky no Mates" being shy and introverted.

RogerA said...

Geez Mark--you really should keep up with the hearings, read blogs like Ann Althouse,' Volokh's or Prof Bainbridge--they explain this stuff in terms you might even be able to understand--having had every point you have raised in "opposition" to Judge Alito, you are now down to CAP at Princeton? For the record, fool, minorities (that is, those determined my melanine content, etc) have been admitted to Princeton long before the CAP came into existence--you can look that up: Hint, try accessing Princeton.edu--as for women, this may come as a shock to you but women were not even admitted to the military and naval academies of the US until the late 1970s--in fact, there are still a fair amount of feminists that suggest gender segregation isnt a bad thing--and should a group of alums at princeton oppose the admission of women, perhaps it suggests more about their conservative mores than it does their biases.

This may really astound you Mark--but there were also all female institutions of higher education in the 1970s that didnt want men admitted--and demonstrably degrees from those all female institutions were equally as valuable as those from the Ivy League schools--

They must not have offered social history where you went to school--but it is in all the books.

Peter UK said...

Markg8,
Is making the classic mistake of judging the social mores of a past era with the standards of today,this retrospective projection leaves leftists like Mark Garrity unable to have any historical perspective.

For example a Joe Sixpack like Mark would not have been so hypersensitive about race an gender issuse in the 1970's,nor come to think of it now.

How plausible is it that most blue collar workers are particularly sensitive or aware that Samuel Alito was in some odd club at College,or even care?

markg8 said...
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Peter UK said...

Markg8,
An answer to Flenser's 4:03pm would be interesting.
Your description of UIC,is....almost like the blurb in a prospectus...you are the first person who didn't mention the course or the degree or most importantly the experience.

Buddy Larsen said...

Uh, maybe you were right, flenser...CAP is such a fraudulent issue, it really is a waste of time.

terrye said...

I can remember when it was a huge controversy to even consider letting men to go St. Mary's at Terre Haute.

I can remember that my dorm was not coed either.

And as for the young lady remark, well all I can say is maybe mark has some reason for being after all.

Specter said...

Well...I was going to yet again lambast marky for not keeping up with current events, but you folks have already taken care of it nicely.

Hey marky - How come you haven't answered the question about whether you agree with Byrd's recent statements about "white Ns"? I mean, against all of the evidence that CAP wasn't against minorities, and your calling Alito a racist, I would assume that you would be up in arms against anyone who showed or used racist language. So what gives?

UIC? Wow...does that rank with Princeton? ('Course I didn't go to an Ivy school).

Buddy Larsen said...

Mark at UIC.

Syl said...

That libertarian judge, napolitano, was on the BOARD of CAP and was a classmate of Alito's and knew him. He doesn't remember Alito attending any meetings or functions, in fact he he doesn't remember that Alito was even a member.

Buddy Larsen said...

Alito has said that Princeton had just booted ROTC--which was a part of his degree plan--off the campus, and he joined the group that was opposing the ROTC booting. He said he was angry over the insult. Thank Goodness someone was.

Buddy Larsen said...

Specter, it's FINE to be KKK, what's inexcusable is to be on the receiving end of slander about nonexistant racism. THAT's a no-no.

markg8 said...

Yep he didn't remember being a member of the CAP even though he bragged about it in his 1985 resume and now after weeks of controversy he says it was about the ROTC. But I guess booting the ROTC off campus didn't bother him enough to transfer to another university where he could actually get that ROTC training and become a officer in the US Armed Forces upon graduation.

The CAP was formed in 1972, the year Alito graduated, it's agenda was devoted almost exclusively to preventing women and minorities from entering an institution that had long been a bastion of white male privilege. Princeton began admitting women in 1969 and by 1972 it's administration was proposing admitting 40% women and minorities.

That'd put a serious crimp in the plans of future generations of smart white male social climbers to mix with the mediocre legacy sons of the moneyed class. Instead they'd have to work harder to fit in and compete in a more diverse meritocracy and not have near as many opportunites to make those important connections to wealth and power. Even worse with fewer legacy admissions there was no guarantee their children would be admitted to Princeton.

A definate problem for up and comers of the "right" hue, sex and temperament like Alito.

Alito has a history of telling people what they want to hear in job interviews. As we've seen in the Vanguard case, which I'll gladly get to if you'd like, he sees no reason to stick to what he says once he attains his goal. Why should we believe he's going to be some kind of moderate now? It's says a whole lot about how popular the whole far right agenda is in this country when he has to pretend he is.

Peter UK said...

"The CAP was formed in 1972, the year Alito graduated"

So Alito wasn't even in it very long?

"Princeton began admitting women in 1969 "

So the organisation that Markj8 wrongly claims was set up to oppose the entry of women into Princeton,was not founded until three years after women were admitted?

"That'd put a serious crimp in the plans of future generations of smart white male social climbers"

Presumably if you are a member of Mark Garrity's class,you are dammed if you learn to read.Sounds very much like those who accuse Condi Rice and Colin Powell of being Uncle Toms

"Alito has a history of telling people what they want to hear in job interviews."

At least Samuel Alito has a job.

This latest rant of Mark Garrity's sounds like the bitterness of a failure,Judge Alito is a working class boy made good, all power to him.

markg8 said...

According to his college roommate Alito's whole ROTC thing was a draft dodge. His lottery number was 32 in 1970.

Peter UK said...

Well Markg8,you are the expert on draft dodging,nearly as good a runner as Clinton....without the charm.

markg8 said...

Make that draft lottery in December 1969. He suddenly became interested in the ROTC in January.

Petey what gives? You hate working class types, remember? Besides both his parents worked and researching his thesis at sidewalk cafes in Rome and Bologna the summer of 1971 doesn't make him sound like he was hurting for money anyway does it?

That yearbook entry even says he wanted to warm a seat on the Supreme Court someday. I guess that explains why we're up to a whole 7 cases out of 5000 Republican senators can cherry pick to show he actually sided with a little guy while on the Circuit.

I can't believe you people are buying this.

Buddy Larsen said...

Guess we're just stupid, Mark!

Or maybe it's a judicial record that is like, "important", and "on the record"--unlike your typical assignations of blue-sky motive-slander.

Peter UK said...

Markg8,
"Petey what gives? You hate working class types, remember? Besides both his parents worked and researching his thesis at sidewalk cafes in Rome and Bologna the summer of 1971 doesn't make him sound like he was hurting for money anyway does it?"

Mark Garrity is letting his little green eyed class warrior slither to the fore.Despite your false memory syndrome,there isn't any class I dislike,class hatred is akin to race hate, it is fakes like you,activists who don the mantle of decent working class people.
BTW What do you do for a living?

So it is a crime for both working class parents to work now,what is your definition of working class?

What on earth is wrong with students travelling,and broadening their minds,most of them do,what stopped you?

Why is hurting for money a qualification to be working class,there are plenty of highly skilled working people who earn good money.
There are many middle class people who just get by.

Mark,you need to stop this insane jealousy from further warping your mind

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Buddy Larsen said...

When did Nam become a prerequisite for the SC?

Did Ginsberg go to Nam?

markg8 said...

Nam was never a prerequisite for the SC. Not lying about your reasons for joining a radical group ought to be.

Peter UK said...

"Not lying about your reasons for joining a radical group ought to be."
Which radical group do you belong to Markg8? I don't men the Democrats of those clowns at Operation Yellow Dog,those are just front organisations,the group you really represent.