Are the Democrats in Washington, DC Totally Out of Their Minds?

Monday, June 19, 2006
I am stunned. Is Senator Diane Feinstein smoking an illegal substance? The Republicans must be privately jumping with joy. What did they do to deserve this early Christmas present?:

“Feinstein said she will introduce a resolution with two other Democrats -- Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, and Minority Leader Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada -- calling for "phased redeployment."

The radical left dominates the Democratic party to the point of utter absurdity. There is no polling data whatever to suggest that American voters desire defeat in Iraq. I refuse to believe that any reputable pollster has advised Democrats to opt for this course of action. Yes, many voters are displeased by our involvement and their perceived direction of the conflict. But abandoning Iraq is deemed not acceptable. Instituting a definite time table for withdrawal would greatly please the terrorists. They would patiently wait before committing further atrocities. This could push the country into a civil war. Anyone possessing even a bit of common sense realizes a planned “phased redeployment” is ludicrous. My hunch is that minimally 55% of the voters in the red states agree with me. Earth to Diane Feinstein: not everybody resides in San Francisco.

Don’t the Democrats want to have a fighting chance in November? They remind me of someone jumping out of a plane without a parachute. There are admittedly sensible local area Democrat politicians, especially in the red states. However, the national leaders appear to be suicidal.

26 comments:

Rick Ballard said...

If there is a drawdown in the works, the Dems just want to have something on the table to point to and say "see, we're responsible" - what's the difference between "as they stand up, we'll stand down" and "phased withdrawal"?

If the Dems were running for Prom Queen this type of tactic might work.

David Thomson said...

I am getting the distinct impression that only blue state voters matter to the Democrats in our nation’s capitol. Are they subconsciously writing off the red staters? Is pleasing the Daily Kos the Democrats primary consideration? Please note that most of these politicians are safely ensconced in the bluer areas. Are there even any red state Democrats, especially those running for reelection this year, behind this idiocy?

terrye said...

david:

I think the Democrats are stupid on Iraq and Republicans are stupid on immigration.

And Bush is stuck in the middle.

They see polls saying that a majority of Americans are not pleased with the state of affairs in Iraq [gasp] and they assume that means most Americans want us to run screaming like a bunch of little girls without so much as a passsing thought to the mess left behind. me bored, me want go home.

Barry Dauphin said...

David,

I agree that the Dems are maing a political and geo-stratgic mistake with such a resolution and that it's the wrong move.

I think the response of al Qaeda and the Sunnis would be different. I think they would keep up the attcks or increase them and essentially say to us, "And there's not one thing you can do about it." They could even try harder to make it look as we are running away from them.

dag said...

If even so few as 40% of our own in the so-called red states think it's a good thing to pull out of Iraq and let the jihadis have their day in the sun, what does it tell us about the state of our nation? How did we get to the point whereat so many of our own are so loony that common sense is beyond their ken? How can so much of our public hold a common opinion that is so obviously crazy?

What do we do when so many of our own are nuts? How do we live as a nation when too many of our own are incapable of living in the real world?

I think our best hope is to stand up in public and voice opinions the minority won't like hearing. They'll scream, perhaps they'll sue, maybe even fight us on the streets to silence us. But it is that confrontation with those who will not be silent that will give permission to the majority to speak up against the crazies so the majority will speak out too.

Blogging is fun and rewarding, but to have a real effect we must stand up in public and be heard voicing contrary opinions. When a few stand up in public and say, then a few more will join them. It gives people permission to say the unsayable. Of the majority of loonies on the Left, few are committed to it professionally, merely mimicing the popular slogans of their friends, which they will do regardless of what those slogans are.

We in Vancouver, Canada stand up every week at the city library and we say that jihad is a bad thing, that Islam is not a religion of peace, that socialism is murder. These public opinions are shocking to those who hear them, not because others disagree but because few will dare to speak them aloud. We speak, and others nod, and others will join us in the crowd in time, and we will gain followers who simply agree because everyone else seems to. Then the 40% will dwindle to a few scattered loonies in the local library shouting against the din.

We'll be at the VPL atrium on Thursday evening from 7-9:00 p.m to say our piece. Eventually you'll hear people on the sidewalk and in the shops talking about us and our programme. It'll be their ideas they express, and others will nod and smile and agree with them. And you?

Fresh Air said...

Rick--

If there is a drawdown in the works, the Dems just want to have something on the table to point to and say "see, we're responsible"

Nope, I don't think so. That gives the Mediacrats too much credit for intelligence. I think that because they only listen to NPR, watch CNN and read the NYT, these clowns really do think Iraq is a complete, irretrievable debacle.

Having said that, this resolution makes absolutely no sense from a game theory perspective. Those in safe seats don't need it, and those in unsafe seats won't benefit from it--and could be hurt by it.

Actually, to the extent there are still pending primaries involving left-wing kooks like Ned Lamont, this could have a marginal effect in getting even less electable candidates nominated.

I know the Tories were tarred as the stupid party. But surely the mantle has passed on to the Mediacrats by now.

Syl said...

They just want Iraq to go away so they can get back to raising taxes and HillaryCare.

Just shows they haven't a clue what to actually DO. Iraq and the WoT are simply beyond their capabilities.

David Thomson said...

The last two Democratic Party presidents actively sought red state voters. Did they pull a fast one? Were they possibly scamming the rubes? That is beside the point. The main thing is that by hook or crook these voters had to be be pursued. No more. Today’s Democrats care only about pleasing the blue staters. One can almost imagine them on their knees before the Daily Kos asking, “Does this meet with your approval?”

terrye said...

david:

I think they are reading the polls wrong. Americans may be tired of Iraq, but that does not mean they want to lose.

Besides, these crazy bastards will follow us home. The Democrats are just hoping and praying that won't happen.

Skookumchuk said...

David:

I am getting the distinct impression that only blue state voters matter to the Democrats in our nation’s capitol. Are they subconsciously writing off the red staters?

I think they are. When watching the MSM, when looking at advertising, see a kind of class warfare all around me. All denigrating the blue collar, the rural, the middle aged, the elderly. Denigrating all who don’t live in New York and drive the right cars and dress in black and have the right pair of sunglasses.

One of the (almost) beneficial side-effects of Marxism was the tendency, even if shallow and sometimes feigned, to respect what was once called “the working man”. The murals of Thomas Hart Benton. The music of Aaron Copland. This empathy may have at times been a mile wide and an inch deep, but it was usually genuine. It is now gone. That is the real problem.

Syl said...

Interesting. I didn't know that's why people were supposed to like Copland. I liked his music because I liked -- well -- the music. :)

David

The Democrats ARE trying to get votes in Red states. Really. They're putting a lot of effort in local races. State legislatures, governors, in Red states as well as blue.

In fact there's some disagreement in the party. Many say putting any money into Red states is a waste, but Dean is doing it anyway. His thinking is that state legislators and governors are the future of the party and he wants them from all over America.

Dean is thinking long term, not just short term. Actually, I think that's smart.

Syl said...

Skook

Re advertising and such. I think it's more the bubble effect. The advertising firms exist in the big cities and reflect the milieu they swim in.

The effect may be as you say, but I don't think it came from anything more than the bias of the familiar.

Skookumchuk said...

syl: Well, yes, I like him cause you can sing Appalachian Spring in the shower. You can't sing John Cage in the shower :-).

But my point is that I can see a kind of split between liberal-arts MA-holding city dwellers and the rest of the country that goes beyond simple politics. It is something greater than just that.

David Thomson said...

“The Democrats ARE trying to get votes in Red states. Really. They're putting a lot of effort in local races. State legislatures, governors, in Red states as well as blue.”

I am not talking about local races. It is the contests revolving around national issues when the crap hits the proverbial fan. Those Democrats candidates are likely to be left of center. This is why Republican Senator Conrad Burns is probably now safe in Montana. A Daily Kos styled leftist won the Democratic primary.

David Thomson said...

“You can't sing John Cage in the shower :-).”

Speak for yourself. Are you aware of John Cage’s “4'33”? Placido Domingo cannot begin to compete with me. I can definitely remain silent in the shower for four minutes and thirty three seconds.

Skookumchuk said...

David:

Are you aware of John Cage’s “4'33”?

Yes I am. Was little joke, no?

Hey, my shower stall is a regular La Scala.

terrye said...

skook:

It does go beyond politics. In fact once upon a time it was the urbane Dewey from NY running against the hayseed Truman from Mo.

One thing I will say for FDR, he brought about REMC. In fact he made a point of saying he thought it was time that rural people began to live in a way that was somewhat compatable with their urban neighbors. And people can say what they want but the truth is without rural electrification programs there would probably still be places in America without power.

Now the Republicans in NY and the Democrats in California are supposedly joining forces to create legislation to nullify the electoral college. The idea is that six states with enough electoral college votes to decide an election all throw their electoral votes [no matter who won their state] behind the candidate with the most popular votes. That would make the votes of rural Americans meaningless. So much for that United STATES thing.

Fresh Air said...

Terrye--

I've heard of that idea. It is unquestionably unconstitutional. Sorry to all the Upper East Siders.

Skookumchuk said...

terrye:

It does go beyond politics.

Yes, very much so.

OK, a story.

I was watching the Mariner's game last night (which we actually won) and on comes a Volkswagen commercial. Maybe you'll know the one I'm talking about. A fashionable young couple are driving a white Jetta. They are stopped behind a car, which is stopped at a red light. Stopped behind them is a pickup truck loaded with construction gear and a rack for ladders on the top, and behind that is a black SUV, obviously made to look like a Cadillac Escalade.

The light turns green. The girl in the Jetta goads the boyfriend or husband, who is driving, to honk his horn at the car in front, which didn't move right when the light changed. After one honk, two things happen. The car ahead moves and this greasy biker type with a plaid shirt and a beard comes out of the pickup with a hostile stare. They couple in the Jetta get nervous and the girl kind of cowers and shrinks in to her seat. But then the camera pans back and we see that the blue-collar scumbag (since all blue collar guys are by definition scumbags when they aren't sex objects) has identified the wrong car as having honked. He promptly walks back to the Escalade and beats on the window with his palm, shouting "open the door". And the fashionable young urban couple look in the rearview mirror, smile in relief and drive away. Close up of Jetta logo and cut.

The ad is correct in the limited sense that whenever somebody honks at me, it is an overbearing yuppy or a boomer in a fashionable car, and not some carpenter going to his next framing job.

With my apologies to any person on this blog who owns one, but I'm going to repeat a very old joke. What's the difference between a BMW and a porcupine? On the BMW, all the pr*cks are on the inside.

But in many examples, every day, I see this slyness and condescending scorn. It is very difficult to bear. In order to pull off something like rural electrification, whatever the political motivation may have been, you need to have some sort of empathy with those you are helping. Perhaps an empathy born of not being that far removed from the rural life yourself. Today that bond is broken.

Skookumchuk said...

terrye:

Oh, a little addendum. I may have told this one before, or maybe it was back at Roger's place.

My Dad, the patriotic union member and Scoop Jackson fan, was watching All in the Family soon after it first aired. I must have been in high school. Anyway, he laughed but later grew very pensive about the show. He wasn't an especially educated man, but he said something very profound that at the time I naturally thought was nonsense, but which turns out to have been prescient:

If Hollywood keeps this up, it will kill the Democrats.

Syl said...

Skook

But my point is that I can see a kind of split between liberal-arts MA-holding city dwellers and the rest of the country that goes beyond simple politics. It is something greater than just that.

Oh, most definitely. And it's been going on for a long, long time.

However the stereotypes work both ways.

One of the reasons All in the Family worked so well is that everybody was a stereotype. Meathead and Archie both. But the quintessential American in that show wasn't Archie, it was Dingbat.

:)

terrye said...

skook:

My Dad said, They give Archie hell, but Meathead would starve without him.

I have had to deal with my share of condescending, patronizing crap from people from the land of the Urbane and Sophisticated. Ever notice how when they talk about farmers they are all either rubes, welfare recepients, slave owners, salt of the earth types or the reason we have illegal immigration?

Just like Archie, they would starve without them. Yes, the bond is broken.

Skookumchuk said...

terrye:

I paid my way through school working nights on the railroad. And I was older than the other students. Many professors were somewhat apprehensive about having some guy in their class who had actually been out in the world.

Looking back, it was pretty funny. It often still is, on those times when I remember to bring my sense of humor.

vnjagvet said...

Fellow YARGB's:

There is a truth you have revealed in this post and the comments around it.

It is the same truth that you all revealed two years ago when I met you all on Roger's blog.

It is the truth that you revealed in your commentary about Kerry after he "reported for duty" and the way the Swiftees called him on it.

You instinctively understood how the heartland of America would react to the BS being propounded by the elitist part of the boomer generation who experienced Vietnam as our country's largely imperialist folly.

In spite of the polls, you believed that our heartlanders and those of us who identified with them would not be fooled by the theatrics of the self-identified war hero and his oh so intellectually superior cabinet to be (the Bergers, the Wilsons, the Deans, the Albrights, the Shrums, and those like them).

Now history repeats itself. Some of the cast of characters is still pontificating: Kerry, Dean, Boxer, Edwards. Now, Reid, Levin, Murtha, Pelosi join them. The message is the same but more strident. Get out. Get out. Get out. Vietnam Quagmire, Bush Lied.

And yet the heartland audience is still not buying it. They won't buy it in November either.

Their Republican Congressmen and Senators will not be turned out. And because this is so, the voices of the boomer elite will fail again.

What ever the dissatisfaction with that stubborn Yale and Harvard educated Texan whose Daddy and Granddaddy were Connecticut Yankees might register in the polls from time to time.

It will not register in the votes of the people that count.

The votes of the last two weeks in Congress, by those facing the voters this fall, tell much more truth than polls.

So do this post and your comments.

gumshoe1 said...

"After one honk, two things happen. The car ahead moves and this greasy biker type with a plaid shirt and a beard comes out of the pickup with a hostile stare. The couple in the Jetta get nervous and the girl kind of cowers and shrinks into her seat."

so much for a college edjumacation
(and a Jetta).

whyn't the bozo just step on the gas and go thru the light?

what's the carpenter on foot
gonna do?

sheesh.

hollywood.

gumshoe1 said...

"whyn't the bozo just step on the gas and go thru the light?

what's the carpenter on foot
gonna do?"

or,to make my point w/o the class warfare of the VW ad:

what's the driver of a big black SUV gonna do on foot?