The DLC is Worried Sick Over the Push to Excommunicate Joe Lieberman

Thursday, June 22, 2006
The Democratic Leadership Council is a so-called moderate voice of the Democratic Party. These people truly believe that the United States must often use military force to defeat Islamic terrorism. In other words, the DLC is out of the mainstream. Regrettably, the Daily Kos types now dominate---and they are unrelentingly trying to destroy Senator Joseph Lieberman. The DLC is rightfully concerned:
“A party with no room for Joe Lieberman -- or for that matter, such occasionally lonely dissenters on the left as Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders -- is a party with no prospects for a majority. It's the worst possible time for Democrats to make that choice.”
Will the DLC change the mind of the ideologically committed Democratic Party leftists? The answer: hell no! The radicals smell blood and want total control. Any sort of compromise is perceived as abandoning one’s moral values. More moderate Democrats, who dare speak out on national issues, will inevitably be drummed out of the party.

30 comments:

MeaninglessHotAir said...

The quesstion before the house is: will the advent of the Internet destroy the political parties as we have known them.

There's no reason a priori to expect either party to survive. Parties were a specific adaptation to specific circumstances and it may be that their time is past.

Rick Ballard said...

DT,

Isn't this really a plea to the MSM to push the nutrooters of the porch? I see it as a coordinated move tied to the NYT hit piece on the mighty Kos.

Rahm Emanuel's announcing his decision to spend more time with his family is a DLC move to say "hey, Dean - you're the responsible person here - November's results belong to you - not me". Dean's attempt to set up a 50 state personal organization was caught by the DLC back in December. They stopped him then and now they're hanging the dead albatross of what is going to be a miserable election around his neck in plenty of time for everyone to notice the source of the stink.

If the Dem's ever want to be considered as a party worthy of a centrist vote they have to purge the left. Perhaps they will have the nerve to do so after November's defeats.

David Thomson said...

“If the Dem's ever want to be considered as a party worthy of a centrist vote they have to purge the left. Perhaps they will have the nerve to do so after November's defeats.”

The Republicans are likely to hold onto both Houses of Congress. There will, however, be no purging of the left because of this outcome. The leftist are far more powerful than the so-called Democratic centrists. Many are as wealthy as Robert Rubin and his Wall Street buddies. Only in the last hour or so, John Kerry’s ludicrous proposal to give our enemies an exact time when we would be leaving Iraq, was soundly defeated. He could care less about endangering those politicians forced to compete in the red states. The Massachusetts senator is safely ensconced in perhaps the bluest of the blue states. Once again, the blue state Democrats don’t give a damn! The hell with their red state counterparts. Pleasing the hard left is deemed of far greater importance.

Knucklehead said...

Nice to know that some portion of the Dem party machinery is willing to stand up for Lieberman.

Where does the fundamental split within the Democrats lie? A day or two ago in another thread y'all had a discussion about Archie and Meathead. Meathead has aged into Archie. He was "liberal" then but he's no less bigotted now as Archie was then.

Meathead is what the "older generation" of the Dem party is now. Note how the DLC memo in support of Lieberman tosses in this little blurb:

He is a man of utmost integrity who speaks and governs by his values and principles, even when they lead him against the popular tide -- as he did when he went to Mississippi to fight for civil rights in 1964.

As is typical of the "older generation" they can never let the past just be the past. It must always be relived as a golden era when the True Blue proved themselves. Were you at Woodstock? Did you go to Mississippi? You had tie-dyed "Make Love, Not War" t-shirts, right?

1964 was 42 freakin' years ago. Around 60% of the population was not alive in 1964; and many of us were wet-nosed brats in grammar school. The median age today is 35.2 or thereabouts. This is the geriatric, Jurassic Park Dems.

Younger folks tend to be "liberal" which, in the US, means they are supposed to vote - if they take the trouble to do so - for Dems. These are today's "Meatheads" except that they are Angryslackers or something of the sort.

What we've got with the Dems today is Meathead sitting in his comfy old chair pissing and moaning about the world the "those people" while Angryslacker raids the 'fridge and rages against the machine.

Meathead is long passed his prime and nobody wants Angryslacker running the show anymore than they wanted Meathead running it back in Archie's day. But the show - the Dem party - must be passed to Angryslacker.

The rest of us just have to click off the TV now, as we did then, and find some way to muddlethrough without letting either Meathead or Angryslacker wreck everything.

David Thomson said...

Why are the Democrats in far more trouble than the Republicans? I suspect, at the very worst the GOP, has to worry about no more than 10% of its base being borderline insane. The Democrats nutters may total well over 50%.

Eric Blair said...

Angryslacker just needs a new diversion, like, say, an Xbox 360, and you can forget about them.

Despite the noise, the angryslackers aren't being drafted, so really don't care. Hell, some of them are signing up out of boredom. (See Colby Buzzel's memoir of his year in Iraq).

terrye said...

David:

I think the Democrats are in more trouble than the Republicans [maybe] because they do not have someone like Bush. Bush takes a lot of hell from the right, on immigration and fiscal issues etc, but at the same time the fact that he can be president makes it possible to believe the right does not completely control the party. Of course they don't know that, but that is another topic.

However, the Democrats do not have anyone like Bush. Clinton is as close as they can come.

I think that is why they look to Warner.

Skookumchuk said...

Knucklehead:

As is typical of the "older generation" they can never let the past just be the past. It must always be relived as a golden era when the True Blue proved themselves.

Spot, as they say, On.

Whenever I get together with friends of a Democratic or moonbatish tendency, it is astounding to me how much they live in the past. As if Woodstock and Jefferson Airplane and Richard Nixon were all still new, still in the here and now. And of how respectful they are of the old received wisdoms and how distrustful of the new.

Knucklehead said...

Skook,

They do be Archies, don't they. Except, of course, for the priests, bishops, cardinals and such.

Knucklehead said...

Eric,

Shortly after the '04 election I was talking to my voting age college student daughter. In the Runup to the Election there was great activity and angst on campus and one would have thought that 80% turnout among college students was a certainty.

According to my daughter - who at least claimed to have gone to vote rather than face the Wrath of Dad - not that many actually got off their duffs to vote. Among her buddies there were plenty of excuses about getting up too late to do it before class and too hungry to skip dinner after class. She also mentioned the transport van the Young Dems had all ready to take students to the polls seems to have sat empty and idle most of the day. Allegedly the Young Pubbies van at least moved a few times.

Rick Ballard said...

Knuck,

It keeps coming back to that little demographic problem, doesn't it? The nutroots were supposed to be a 'young' (under 35) group. If more than half of them are Mick Jagger contemporaries (and they are) then Dean hasn't done anything but rearrange deck chairs after stopping to take on ice.

There is a very good reason that Trippi got out when he did. He took the money and ran before the Great Oz was revealed. Pretty sharp operator.

Skookumchuk said...

Rick:

If more than half of them are Mick Jagger contemporaries . . .

I sometimes try to imagine the rest homes of the future. I therefore think we should set in motion a project to award every maid and medical assistant and nurse, legal or illegal, the Presidential Medal of Freedom more or less automatically starting in say 2010 or so.

reliapundit said...

the congressionakl race will be decided by this:

who will stay home: gop conserve pissed at bush over spending and immigration, or

centrist dems pissed off about the nutroots.

Rick Ballard said...

Reliapundit,

Maybe a little too much noise to signal there. The very solid core of both parties is relatively quiet. The perceived value of the nutroots was that they were pulling in a "new generation". The Dems actually did very well in attracting new voters in '04 - with every stop in the organ jerked out and lying on the floor.

The Reps just did somewhat better and they did it much more quietly. It was almost like being in a church.

CF said...

The Dems screwed themselves--thinking that they'd tie up the Reps with Campaign FInance Reform while they set up the 527 endrun.They end runned themselves, I think.

terrye said...

reliapundit:

I think the whole thing works both ways. That is the point. The right wingers can be pissed because Bush is still saying the same things about immigration that he said when they voted for him for president two times, but the Democrats are a lot further to the left than he is on the issue.

Syl said...

So what happens now that the NYTimes is down on KOS (and, according to Kaus, down on Kerry too). And the votes today.

When the Koskids realize we're not getting out of Iraq and that the Dems in power aren't helping their cause, what will they do? How will they react?

Will they wake up and become politicians and realize that the Party comes first? or will they continue to 'storm the gates'?

Will they sit on their hands in Nov, will they stop with the cash flow?

Or will they continue as they have been the last few years?

I really don't know. But it seems that the mainstream Dems are trying to minimize their impact, to somehow change the calculus. I don't know what results they expect.

Rick Ballard said...

CF,

It would take a political tome as detailed as the Kama Sutra to describe all the ways in which the Dems have screwed themselves.

It would still come down to the fact that nihilists don't have enough faith in the future to reproduce. It killed the Soviet Union and it is killing the Democratic Party. Mistaking license for liberty appears to have a very heavy, if totally natural, price.

Skookumchuk said...

Syl:

I don't know what results they expect.

The marginalization of Lieberman in my opinion really has no precedent in modern times. For all its defects, it is impossible to imagine the GOP behaving in the same way. Conversely, the GOP has been quick to boot the Pat Buchanan types. I think Bush & Co. have always seen the possibility of making the GOP the true "big-tent" party.

Rick Ballard said...

Skook,

I know Reagan saw the possibility. GW is certainly better at it than his father was. Buchanan was booted from the conservative movement by Buckley in the early '90's - primarily for antisemitism. I sure don't miss him.

Syl said...

Rick

Mistaking license for liberty appears to have a very heavy, if totally natural, price.

Oh puhlease, Rick. The rhetoric sounds good, but honestly this is carrying it a bit far. Half of America is Democrat. I'm sure they're not all out there having sex with strangers and abortions on a weekly basis.

terrye said...

Syl:

Our local sheriff is Viet Nam veteran, a retired State Trooper and life long Democrat. There are still a lot of folks like him.

terrye said...

skook:

I don't know I have heard some things said about McCain, by his fellow Republicans, that I thought were pretty extreme.

Skookumchuk said...

terrye:

Oh, sure, the normal idiocies. But I'm talking about the party kicking out the true Fruit Loops, the racists and the antisemites. Currently, only the Republicans seem to be able to do that.

Skookumchuk said...

terrye:

I'm thinking of Cynthia McKinney, Antonio "This Land is My Land" Villaraigosa, and all the lesser elected officials and bureaucrats who follow along behind them saying and believing the same kinds of things, only outside the media spotlight.

CF said...

Demographic trends, include more than reproduction numbers.
Americans are increasingly moving South and West. They are increasingly moving to the exurbs. They are increasingly no longer union members. In sum, these are not good trends for the fruitcake party.

Rick Ballard said...

"Half of America is Democrat."

The highest percentage achieved was around 47%, down to about 35%, last time I checked. It's only a 25% drop - which hasn't stopped. Nothing to be concerned about.

David Thomson said...

“Our local sheriff is Viet Nam veteran, a retired State Trooper and life long Democrat. There are still a lot of folks like him.”

Your sheriff is almost certainly a red state Democrat. More importantly, I bet he rarely, if ever, gets involved in national issues. Has he publicly stated his own personal views on Iraq and the war on terrorism? My guess is that he has never done so.

Rick Ballard said...

CF,

Home ownership is another marker - irrespective of location. The highest determinant factor concerning voting preference continues to be parental party affiliation. It's true that the fastest growing group is independents but the growth is coming out of the Dems hides - not the Republicans.

terrye said...

david,But whether or not he gets involved in antiona issues he still votes Democrat and that should not just be discounted.

Skook, no the Republicans have nuke Mecca Tancredo.