A Little of This and a Little of That

Wednesday, June 21, 2006
There is now a consensus in this country to do something about illegal immigration. A “comprehensive” national agreement, however, is unlikely to occur. Instead, we will see various responses from both our federal and state officials. A good example is the most recent initiative being promoted by Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts:

"Governor Mitt Romney is seeking an agreement with federal authorities that would allow Massachusetts state troopers to arrest undocumented immigrants for being in the country illegally.

Currently, State Police have no authority to arrest people on the basis of their immigration status alone, said Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom. If they arrest immigrants for violations of state law, troopers can call a centralized US Immigration and Customs Enforcement center in Vermont to check on their status, and can detain immigrants if federal officials request it.

Under the agreement Romney is seeking, troopers would have greatly expanded powers: They could check an immigrant's legal status during routine patrols such as during a traffic stop and decide whether the immigrant should be held.

"It's one more thing you can do to make this a less attractive place for illegal aliens to come to work," Romney said.”

The sausage making of American politics is often not a pretty sight. Still, we muddle along and get things accomplished. Illegal immigration will no longer be tolerated. We are going see a sharp decrease in the numbers of people flagrantly violating our laws.


terrye said...

In Tennessee the state has decided to give illegals drivers licenses.
Go figure.

I am not so sure that there is a consensus, I am beginning to think that there are some people who do not want to deal with this, they would rather keep the issue around and complain about it.

Knucklehead said...

It is painfully clear that there is no concensus.

From Mass. state troopers may soon arrest undocumented immigrants:

Expanding the powers of state police to enforce federal immigration laws would detract from normal duties, lead to racial profiling and dissuade illegal immigrants from reporting real crimes, civil libertarians said.

"This will overwhelm the state police force, it will hinder real law enforcement, real community law enforcement, and it will clearly lead to racial and ethnic profiling," said Carol Rose, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts.

Groups that fight domestic violence fear that such an agreement would make immigrant victims hesitant to report crimes to police.


Other communities, however, are more welcoming to immigrants. Cambridge passed a resolution declaring the city a sanctuary for immigrants, and other towns may follow suit.

From 'Out of control' Immigration laws make local enforcement a joke

In fact, [Immigration and Customs Enforcement's] focus on the worst criminal elements has become so pronounced that increasingly rare efforts to enforce immigration laws in non-felony cases can provoke a public outcry. In Chelsea, the recent arrest and potential deportation of a former high school honors student, Mario Rodas, 19, has led to a campaign by public officials to keep him in the United States.

From Police fear backlash in crime-fighting

While concerned about rampant illegal immigration, some Bay State communities are in a quandary over the issue because of fears that a crackdown will hinder some residents’ cooperation with police.

And then there's the little matter of how long it will take to accomplish any level of meaningful results, especially if there is effective pushback from the sorts of folks quoted above. In the National sweep nets nearly 2,100 illegal immigrants that was so widely publicised a week or so ago "The work that led to the series of arrests over the past 20 days began last winter."

David Thomson said...

“In Tennessee the state has decided to give illegals drivers licenses.”

Your example is entirely consistent with my central argument. These illegals are solidly established. The newly arrived will not be so fortunate. Once again, our focus will be to strongly discourage others from entering the country. Those already here, and behaving themselves, will essentially get a “free pass.” They just will not be allowed to easily become citizens.

David Thomson said...

There is still an overall consensus. A few of the bluer areas like Cambridge (home of Harvard University) will be the exception. Tennessee is a red state---and probably needs a certain number of immigrants to do the dirtier jobs. I strongly suspect that its politicians are going to make it more difficult for the newer arrivals.

terrye said...


I think the thing you are missing is that there are folks out there who make no secret of the fact that they hate these people and want them gone.

If you tell them these are human beings and many of them are established in the community, they will respond by telling you that illegal is illegal, illegals are destroying the country and nothing short of deporting them all will fix the problem and amnesty is a sin against humanity and all that is good and decent in the world.

And a lot of them will say Bush has refused to enforce the laws because he made a secret deal to give the southwest back to Mexico. Sort of the right wing version of BDS and the conspiracy mania.

They will even tell you how Malkin had some stuff on her sight about border people being ordered to stand down by the Bushies who are selling us out....... and on and on and on.

I give up on them.

It does make you wonder however, exactly what some of these folks were doing for all these years about this..if it is such a crisis? That border has always been open, catch and release has been around for years. In fact more people and resources are on the border now than ever have been before. But to hear these guys tell it, this problem erupted out of nowhere.

But I know that Hastert and Sessions and King and these people have been in office for years and years and if this was such a big deal why is it they never did anything about it?

No, they can stab Bush in the back but they themselves did nothing to solve this problem for all the years they were in Washington and he was not.

Skookumchuk said...

In Tennessee the state has decided to give illegals drivers licenses.

Veamos qué sucede cuando un extranjero ilegal sin seguro choque su auto contra el mío.

terrye said...



terrye said...

In my big fat post I should have said site, not sight. Ah well.

Skookumchuk said...


terrye said...


Atthay is ootay uchmay ikelay orkway.

Skookumchuk said...

Man, that was work in itself. My Uncle Leo used to talk to me in Pig Latin when I was six or so, but I seem to have gotten rusty . . .

David Thomson said...

A number of these blue state areas are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Yes, they might offer “sanctuary” to illegal aliens---but how many job will be available for those who are marginally to functionally illiterate? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I suspect that home prices also begin at $500,000 in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Skookumchuk said...

It is the formation of a permanent helot class of single young uneducated men and the de facto Balkanization of our country that has me deeply worried.

I spent part of the 90's on mining projects while based in post-apartheid South Africa, which still brings in labor from the entire continent to work in the mines. The prevailing attitude among the white middle class was Well, there are certain places where you don't go. You simply stay in Sandton or Rivonia behind your fence with the razor wire on top. Now then, isn't it just a lovely day?

terrye said...


Well serves you right.

Yes, I know what you mean. I think we have to stress assimilation, surely this whole multicultural thing has just about worn itself out.

I just wish everybody would agree to compromise and come up with a bill that no one will love, but that everyone can tolerate. But it seems we have one extreme that just wants to let it all hang out and the other that is thinking of moats, and land mines and turning the border into a free fire zone and people in camps.

Too much politics and not enough common sense.