tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post114434661354672024..comments2024-03-26T16:03:42.608-06:00Comments on Flares into Darkness: Is Fitzgerald admitting that outing Plame was no crime?ambisinistralhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03836786826294202405noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1144369739298400552006-04-06T18:28:00.000-06:002006-04-06T18:28:00.000-06:00BrylunNo. NO. Double NO!!The NIE has nothing about...Brylun<BR/><BR/>No. NO. Double NO!!<BR/><BR/>The NIE has nothing about Plame. Nada. Zilch.<BR/><BR/>Apples and Oranges.<BR/><BR/>Don't even go there.<BR/><BR/>Going there is what MSNBC and CNN are doing.Sylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069871911665125873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1144369476843469122006-04-06T18:24:00.000-06:002006-04-06T18:24:00.000-06:00Brylun, do you really think the NIE would have som...Brylun, do you really think the NIE would have something on the source and provenance? God knows I was never in that rarified atmosphere, but I would think that an NIE would be highly classified by aggregation only; why would even the POTUS have need-to-know in general on the source?Charlie Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586506407851173416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1144354970589336592006-04-06T14:22:00.000-06:002006-04-06T14:22:00.000-06:00Brylun,The INR included info on Plame having some...Brylun,<BR/><BR/>The INR included info on Plame having something to do with suggesting Ambassador Munchausen's African Odyssey but the NIE (at least in that part disclosed) did not. I believe that the NIE in question was that of Fall '02 - the Niamey sweet mint tea had yet to exit the Ambassador's system and enter into the national consciousness.<BR/><BR/>John,<BR/><BR/>I dunno the answer - you may have a valid point but what I got from the judge's order was a declaration of impartiality. Something that was sorely missing from Judge Tatel's opinion in the Miller matter. Tatel did write that his decision was based upon accepting the veracity of Fitz's affidavit and pleadings (there was no one else to listen to), so he at least placed a bit of responsibility on Fitz - Judge Walton is putting a lot more emphasis on 'I hear what you say, but I'm from Missouri, so show me.' I'd say that Judge Walton has read Judge Tatel's order and has adopted a hermeneutic of deep suspicion wrt Fitz.Rick Ballardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082425215912372067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1144354015346917112006-04-06T14:06:00.000-06:002006-04-06T14:06:00.000-06:00Although the document does not specifically addres...Although the document does not specifically address the disclosure of Plame's identity, it is not unreasonable to assume that the NIA included information about who recommended Wilson.<BR/><BR/>That's why I asked the question.brylunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17865287332396235627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1144351687068747862006-04-06T13:28:00.000-06:002006-04-06T13:28:00.000-06:00John,It's full of typos because it's a scan of a p...John,<BR/><BR/>It's full of typos because it's a scan of a printout - the PDF was an image rather than text file conversion. I corrected a number of errors but I wear out quick when proofreading.<BR/><BR/>As to your main point - I believe that the thrust of the judge's order is that he is unwilling to rely upon Fitz's <I>ex parte</I> assertions. Another way of reading it is that he's not going to rely upon anything much that Fitz says - but that may be a bit harsh.<BR/><BR/>Fitz has a legal point concerning materiality and I don't believe that he will be compelled to profer proof of Plame's status.<BR/><BR/>Fitz wants absolutely nothing to do with any assertion that Libby may have disclosed classified information of any kind. He repeatedly insists that materiality has no bearing upon this persecution.<BR/><BR/>So I don't think that Fitz is necessarily admitting anything to do with Plame or her status (Brylun's point) - he is saying that he prefers to work in a more rarefied atmosphere. My opionion is that he is likely to pass out from lack of oxygen pretty quickly - as soon as the Motion to Dismiss is dealt with.<BR/><BR/>Brylun,<BR/><BR/>Fitz's protection of UGO was the real admission that disclosure of Plame's status was not a crime.Rick Ballardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082425215912372067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1144348679153701952006-04-06T12:37:00.000-06:002006-04-06T12:37:00.000-06:00"the judge's assertion that Fitz must show damage ...<I>"the judge's assertion that Fitz must show damage relating from the disclosure."</I><BR/><BR/>John - where do you find that? I've been through Judge Walton's order a couple of times but I didn't pick that up in my reading.Rick Ballardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082425215912372067noreply@blogger.com