tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post115093334136597137..comments2024-03-26T16:03:42.608-06:00Comments on Flares into Darkness: WMD Againambisinistralhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03836786826294202405noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150994916795232242006-06-22T10:48:00.000-06:002006-06-22T10:48:00.000-06:00Never waste a good meme: Bush lied; People died:Fo...Never waste a good meme: Bush lied; People died:<BR/><I>For example, the January 18, 2005 Today show: <BR/>DAVID GREGORY: It's clear, sir, there's no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.<BR/><BR/>President BUSH: Right.</I>Barry Dauphinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808109325931309525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150983387012119462006-06-22T07:36:00.000-06:002006-06-22T07:36:00.000-06:00All that's of interest (and new) here is that Sant...All that's of interest (and new) here is that Santorum is this desperate this early.<BR/><BR/>I take it back. He's done come November.lonerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13329414340481290010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150978276857046522006-06-22T06:11:00.000-06:002006-06-22T06:11:00.000-06:00I'm not being dismissive Syl, not of the "find" an...I'm not being dismissive Syl, not of the "find" and certainly not of you :-)<BR/><BR/>I agree, of course, that Chem and Bio fill out the triad of WMD. I also understand that the shells were indeed "mass" to the populace of Iraq. Its just that to me those chemicals would be more indicative of classic WMD had they been found on the tips of missiles; and thereby a threat to nearby countries, i.e. Israel.Lutherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901441364329385474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150973422346322172006-06-22T04:50:00.000-06:002006-06-22T04:50:00.000-06:00Syl:You are both right. This is not the huge stock...Syl:<BR/><BR/>You are both right. This is not the huge stockpiles were looking for, but it still a clear indication that Saddam was hiding something and the he did not get rid of all the weapons. <BR/><BR/>But you know I think maybe you are right about the right being defensive.terryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609746018265953069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150951280275935442006-06-21T22:41:00.000-06:002006-06-21T22:41:00.000-06:00lutherI forgot my little :) as usual. Or maybe not...luther<BR/><BR/>I forgot my little :) as usual. Or maybe not.<BR/><BR/>However, the only thing we can think of as a weapon of MASS destruction is nuclear. And that is not why we went to Iraq.<BR/><BR/>Chem and Bio count.<BR/><BR/>If you want to split hairs over how many constitutes 'mass' be my guest. But 5000 kurds were killed with 15 shells.<BR/><BR/>Put the whole damn thing in context. Saddam, terrorists, intent, chem and bio, sanctions failing, box crumbling, hatred of America, the threat that 'one Arab can reach you' and there ya go.<BR/><BR/>This is neither hysteria nor gloating. It's the facts.<BR/><BR/>If you want to be dismissive, go ahead. I don't have to agree with you--and I don't.Sylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069871911665125873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150949517707273672006-06-21T22:11:00.000-06:002006-06-21T22:11:00.000-06:00SylWas that tongue in cheek? I don't give a tinker...Syl<BR/><BR/>Was that tongue in cheek? I don't give a tinker's dam about the left. I try to speak with a logical and rational voice. Though sometimes the brandy overwhelms.<BR/><BR/>It is not sensibility I speak to; it is the facts of what was disclosed.<BR/><BR/>My words..."nothing that could be flung beyond 20 or so miles. Genocidal (Kurds, etc.) weapons of destruction, yes."<BR/><BR/>But weapons of "mass" destruction as commonly thought...No.<BR/>They were not.<BR/><BR/>I just ask that we be;<BR/><BR/>"circumspect and precise in our discoveries."<BR/><BR/>Truth wins out, now is no time for hysteria nor gloating.Lutherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901441364329385474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150946980335349482006-06-21T21:29:00.000-06:002006-06-21T21:29:00.000-06:00If this pans out the categorical statements that “...<I>If this pans out the categorical statements that “Iraq did not have Weapons of Mass Destruction” will be political millstones and albatrosses. I suspect KosKidz and the like will note observations like mine that 500 shells is not a large stockpile. It’s not, but that’s consolation only for the most cynical of spinners and superficial of reporters. I suspect one conspiracy theory we’ll hear is that the shells were planted by the CIA or Pentagon– how long before that crops up?</I><BR/><BR/>From <A HREF="http://www.austinbay.net/blog/index.php?p=1210" REL="nofollow">Austin Bay</A>Barry Dauphinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808109325931309525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150946296354181132006-06-21T21:18:00.000-06:002006-06-21T21:18:00.000-06:00LutherStop with the sensibility already.We've been...Luther<BR/><BR/>Stop with the sensibility already.<BR/><BR/>We've been battered and bludgeoned too long by the Left to dare open our mouths.<BR/><BR/>What was the first thing the Right said after hearing the news about Zarqawi? That we're not saying this will end the insurgency.<BR/><BR/>Damn. We've become pre-emptively defensive. We didn't have to add that to every blog post re the demise of that killer.<BR/><BR/>Circa 1991? What the f difference does that make? Saddam was not supposed to have them! WMD are WMD.<BR/><BR/>And you all think the Dems are defeatist? In my trips following links re these shells, all I hear is 'let's not get too excited' or 'well, it's good, but it's not all that impressive' or 'the left won't believe it anyway'.<BR/><BR/>What has become of you people anyway? You've allowed the left to cower you that much?Sylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03069871911665125873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150943556125272482006-06-21T20:32:00.000-06:002006-06-21T20:32:00.000-06:00luther:You are probably right.luther:<BR/><BR/>You are probably right.terryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609746018265953069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150941440266216132006-06-21T19:57:00.000-06:002006-06-21T19:57:00.000-06:00I know I'm going against the flow here, but...I, p...I know I'm going against the flow here, but...<BR/><BR/>I, personally, would not make too big a deal out of this information. IMHO, we found what was considered by Saddam to be among the least serious of his transgressions (otherwise they would be elsewhere). Not seeing MM reported on the shells, but none the less, nothing that could be flung beyond 20 or so miles. Genocidal (Kurds, etc.) weapons of destruction, yes. I just think that we should be careful not to make mountains out of molehills.<BR/><BR/>There is a need to be both circumspect and precise in our discoveries.Lutherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901441364329385474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150940198993933972006-06-21T19:36:00.000-06:002006-06-21T19:36:00.000-06:00Not having found the large stockpiles that UNSCOM ...Not having found the large stockpiles that UNSCOM had catalogued continues to be of great concern. There has been no verifiable accounting of where that stuff went. The <I>he dumped it in the desert</I> just isn't good enough. The anti-war folks are not persuadable and that should not be a major goal. However, even war skeptics ought to be concerned that there have been no records discovered nor detailed/verifiable testimony of what he did with the stuff.Barry Dauphinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808109325931309525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16821859.post-1150935636962331212006-06-21T18:20:00.000-06:002006-06-21T18:20:00.000-06:00skook:It does however, demonstrate that the Iraqi ...skook:<BR/><BR/>It does however, demonstrate that the Iraqi regime was either fibbing or they had lost track of unstable chemical weapons.<BR/><BR/> It makes you wonder what else Saddam might have overlooked, forgotten about or squirreled away. Like the mafia these guys figure dead men tell no tales and they kill so many of their own that heaven knows what that back hoe operator in Iraq might come across.terryehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16609746018265953069noreply@blogger.com