So says Gore Vidal on the the History Channel's program on Lincoln tonight. He was contrasting Lincoln's invocation of the war time powers of the President during the Civil War with GWB's invocation of the same powers after 9/11.
This pithily sets up the Left's POV on the last 4 and 1/2 years. There is no more danger to this country after the 9/11 attacks, according to this position, than there is with our problems with seborrhea of the scalp. None at all.
Were our current situation viewed in Vidal's way, use of Presidential wartime powers would be absurd. From my perspective, seeing two massive buildings disappear entombing those who were unable to evacuate them caused me to believe our nation was at war with those who brought forth that loss of life in our nation. That was, indeed, a far greater act of war than the firing on Fort Sumter.
History will tell us whether GWB and Congress were right in their assessment in the aftermath of that event. I believe that the Vidals are as wrong as the Copperheads were in 1864. Time will tell.
Did he mean by that statement that the war is unwinnable, or that it is not a "real" war? Or both?
ReplyDeleteMaybe instead of Agent Orange we need to spray Iraq with Head & Shoulders.
The latter, flenser. And he said it with the certainty only intellectual "superiors" affect.
ReplyDeleteVidal is not much of a voice for the better half of the culture, but he was good on the Lincoln show in transmitting the drama and profundity of Lincoln's words.
ReplyDeleteIt was a helluva show. Lincoln, and the issues of that war, are anything but hyistorical artifacts. The script quality--the depth of the commentary--was wonderful.
Vidal is a Lincoln scholar who has written the interesting historical novel based on his life which was made into a movie in 1994.
ReplyDeleteHe has many interesting insights on Lincoln the man.
I thought the quoted statment out of character with the excellence of the program, unfortunate and gratuitous.
IMNSHO, it should have been edited out.
At this point, another terrorist attack on US soil will provoke a couple of responses from the Vidal wing: 1) see, it really is our fault afterall--if we hadn't invaded Iraq, this never would have happened, 2) Team Bush is asleep at the wheel, and they don't care about homeland security; they're totally incompetent.
ReplyDeleteThese sentiments were around after 9/11, but were more muted. They'd be very loud now.
Barry,
ReplyDeleteIn the event of a strike they would certainly attempt to say it but they would be absolutely nailed by the comeback. There is simply too much quotable idiocy attached to the Copperheads for them to get any traction.
Vidal is simply bound very tightly to the leftist vision that is in the process of dying very ugly. There is no reason for him not to join in.
I think of this sort of remark with respect to the appropriate response to the question "What is happiness?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Think of Vidal as one of their women. It's not very hard to do.
They're just lucky that we're taking prisoners. Hope we get a good price for them.
Another Greasy, Offensive, Gore on "War":
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"With regards to specific recommendations, Gore called upon congressional candidates to make the appointment of a Special Counsel to investigate domestic eavesdropping an issue in the 2006 elections.
He also appealed for new whistleblower protections, comprehensive hearings in the House and Senate, and no renewal of the Patriot Act until adequate constitutional safeguards are added.
He also wants telecommunications companies to "cease and desist" their "complicity" in this "apparently illegal invasion of the privacy of American citizens."
Gore's biggest standing ovation came when he said it was "simply an insult" to those who "came before us" to "imply that we have more to be fearful of than they."
Maybe they can be in Humpback Mountain, the Sequel.
Gore Gets it All Wrong
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EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949
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FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States, including sections 302 and 303 of the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978...
LOL
ReplyDeleteIf the Democrats tried to impeach Bush, half of America would flock to DC and storm Congress.
The half with guns.
(just for show, of course. But oh what a show!)
I'd hazard to guess that Vidal's hatred of monotheism blinds him to the nature of this war. While he would grant that monotheism can have a powerful and sinister role, he also thinks it fools us into taking it more seriously than we should. He just wants it to go away; probably the last thing he wants is to fully acknowledge, let alone understand, its continuing world historical significance. He likes Lincoln because Lincoln had unorthodox religoius views.
ReplyDeleteAre we talking about Gore Vidal, Al Gore, or Lesley Gore?
ReplyDeleteIt's my question (I'll ask if I want to).
I was going to watch that History Channel show. But then I saw that Gore was one of the experts and I said to hell with it.
ReplyDeleteHe left the country years ago to avoid paying taxes so he can just kiss my okie......
Maybe if they run the show again I will get out the control and use the mute at the appropriate times.
What is it about the name Gore anyway?
As to his assertion that it was not a real war, The Civil War did not have to be either if Lincoln had been willing to let go of the Union.
ReplyDeleteTerrye--it's the second half of the show that you ought to catch. After Vidal is done with current events, after the gay Lincoln meme is covered, and the war Lincoln comes into view.
ReplyDeleteWhat the first half gives you is what you probably already know enough of, that Lincoln had a youth characterized, as he said (quoting somebody--Dr. Johnson?), as from the "...arid annals of the poor."
And that he was a chronic depressive (not surprising, considering the heart and mind he brought to bear on what he saw as the harshest of tests for noblest of ideals) who nevertheless functioned at a sublime level in the one place where his failure was both unimaginably fraught, and very, very close by.
And all the while spinning his hilarious cornpone stories, setting that example of striving to live outward, and for others.
The best part of the show, to me, is the interviews with a half dozen Lincoln scholars who 'get' the man and the times, and somehow light up as they pull a viewer into the awsome gravity and nearness of a story that is actually sort of Homeric, or Biblical, in the sense of questions so fundamental they could only be answered--or even asked-- by sacrifice.
Had he lost the 1864 election--which sans Sherman's taking of Atlanta he might've (Sherman being the press target, object of ridicule which only a Lincoln could've employed), his Al Gore-like opponent McLelland would've negotiated a settlement--it was his platform--and split the union.
ReplyDeleteOK, Buddy,
ReplyDeleteI'm Sold.
How do I, non tv viewer get to see that?
Can I buy a DVD?
Doug--it's available.
ReplyDeleteWhy no tv? they DO come with on/off buttons, after all.
Bottles come with a cap,
ReplyDeletebut for some,
It's always off.
What me obsessive?
ReplyDeleteWell, right, if you're obsessive, you might have the news playing 24/7 like some crazy fool I know well.
ReplyDeleteLOL.
ReplyDeleteThat was me w/the radio,
then I was saved by the internet,
specifically the KABC stream of conservative talk, which managed to wean me.
Haven't heard much "news" in about 3 years.
Have you ever had a Chocolate New Orleans.
ReplyDelete...or are you UnGodly.
Naggin and that Terhan Goofy Guy are a pair.
...at least he doesn't have Nukes.
...but he's GOTTA be Drunk!
ReplyDelete(Ingraham is playing his soundbytes,
ReplyDeleteTruly Unique.)
You oughtta go get a little tv set and put it next to your monitor--it talks to you on its own, so you can do other things, like look at your home gym and imagine doing some sets.
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ReplyDeleteI got a little religion after 10 days "in Hospital" as Peter would say.
Bike down the Hill, Climb back up.
...now I gotta get obsessive about it and I can die healthy.
My new goal.
Gazing at a small fortune of unused chrome keeps your eyeballs lean and mean.
ReplyDeleteSleep might help too, although the Doc didn't mention it.
ReplyDeleteBut it is 4:19 am.
I'll give it a try.
Sayanara
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Bubba sound bytes:
Talking to Hillary in the middle of the night!!!
...before her plantation comments.
Truly Strange times we live in.
It's like file cabinets--whenever the piles of paper start losing stackability (happens at around 4'), go buy another file cabinet, and put it next to the stack of paper, and sort of shove the stack over to where it can "lean' against the file cabinet. Voila--papers "filed".
ReplyDelete"Legal-sized" hold more dirty clothes, dishes, and fast food containers--not an inconsiderate consideration to consider.
ReplyDeleteI may have forgot Charlie Brown's famous lament.
ReplyDeleteWas it
"What's Wrong With Me?"
?
I actually threw away some stuff today.
...It's a start.
Really gotta go this time.
...I hope.
yeh--the straddle-strain is getting-to both the mayor of N.O. and the jr. senator from New York--it would appear.
ReplyDeleteokay, go to bed, already. set the clock to go off 5 or 6 coconuts from now.
ReplyDelete"yeh--the straddle-strain is getting-to both the mayor of N.O. and the jr. senator from New York--it would appear. "
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LOL
knucklehead,
ReplyDeleteThey're going to provide the enemy Submission.
Ace Inserts OT Comments here:
ReplyDeleteJohansson says he’s like a girl — who likes gossip and shoes.
Uh huh. There's a word for that.
Anyway, I'd like to let Miss Johannson know that I am nothing like a girl, and I couldn't even tell you what color my shoes are.
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I remember when I was 21 and my milk bar was still pretty high and tight. Gravity sucks.
There Has To Be Some Excuse To Link This
Mt Gawd, has that girl ever changed since she played "Birdy" in that Coen movie a few years ago--"The Man Who Wasn't There".
ReplyDeleteYou didn't see the movie, then, Knuck. she played a very prim-looking (emph. on 'looking') high-school age piano student in the late 1940s. Not lak dat picher Ace showed.
ReplyDeleteheh heh--but still, would you want to look like Billy Bob?
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