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Tuesday, May 16, 2006
The Anchoress makes sense ...
I just have to ask all of you people - on every side - who have decided that immigration is one man’s burden, and that every good thing President Bush has done is to be negated because he hasn’t snapped his fingers and done what YOU think is the solution to the immigration problem…what did Clinton do about immigration, what did Bush 41 do? What did St. Reagan do? What did Carter do? What has any president, congressperson or senator done about immigration for the last 30 years, except kick the issue down the road for someone else to deal with? ....

I wonder who all those principled conservatives are going to vote for in ‘08. We did this “he’s not conservative enough for me, I’ll vote principles or stay home” thing once before, in 1992, didn’t we? How’d that work out for you?


Judith Miller reminds us of the bullets we've dodged....
Col. Gadhafi's hip, 34-year-old son, Saif-al-Islam, told me in Vienna--where he earned an M.B.A. and lives when he's not carrying out tasks for his father, or studying for a doctorate in political philosophy at the London School of Economics--that his father changed course because he had to. "Overnight we found ourselves in a different world," said Saif, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks. "So Libya had to redesign its policies to cope with these new realities."


And on the 40th Anniversary of the Cultural Revolution, the Conservative Maoists begin the purge.

In 1992, conservatives put their hands in theor pockets because Bush(41) wasn't conservative enough -- and we got Clinton.

In 1996, Pat Buchanan gave a speech -- and a perjurious, philandering con-man got re-elected ... in the face of impeachment, Chinese connections, fraud convictions, and rape allegations a lot more credible than the ones in Durham, NC.

15 comments:

Barry Dauphin said...

Apparently the CNN poll indicated that the speech went over pretty well with the public, including those who had strong doubts going in. No, polls should not drive polciy, a la Clinton, but there is a vocal group of Republicans who act as if their ideas on immigration are ex cathedra. This is an extremely complex problem, but somehow getting the vapors is supposed to solve this. Some of these folks have forgotten about the WoT or are so complacent that they can act as if it's 1992.

loner said...

Buchanan spoke of a "culture war" at the 1992 convention. I don't think he spoke from the podium in 1996.

2Hotel9 said...

I have been standing in the wilderness screaming about illegal immigration since the '70s. Grew up in south MISS. and knew many daughters and sons of "migrant" workers, went to school with, and joined the Army with, 3 sons of Montezuma. Also grew up around boatpeople and H'mong/Rhade refugees. This is not a new issue, though W's open border, MexAmeriCanada leanings do not make me especially happy. As for Libya, we have as much history with them as Mexico. Remember? Shores of Tripoli? Halls of Montezuma? Long story short, we must secure our borders and practice some intelligent direction in our Dept. of State. 2 things we have not done in a very long time.

Syl said...

As for Libya, we have as much history with them as Mexico. Remember? Shores of Tripoli? Halls of Montezuma?

What the heck has that to do with Libya's turnaround after 9/11 and Iraq?

It should remind us that the world changed on 9/11. That issues we let slide can slide no longer--that many of our policies had to do a turnaround--that our economy can be damaged by a couple dozen nutballs in four airplanes--that we have to know who's coming into the country.

We're talking immigration as a whole because one can't separate love and marriage, not because illegal immigration per se has always been a really big problem except in some peoples eyes.

I think people are just hauling out their pet peeves. The two important things we have to consider vis-a-vis immigration are security and the economy.

Everything else is just part of the discussion--not the most important part.

David Thomson said...

The issue of border control is a done deal. Politicians are under enormous pressure. They realize that their constituents want this problem resolved. Most Americans are fed up with the the large numbers of illegals coming into the country. However, I see no interest in harassing those illegals who have been here for awhile. This is something the hardcore conservatives fail to comprehend.

Seneca the Younger said...

However, I see no interest in harassing those illegals who have been here for awhile. This is something the hardcore conservatives fail to comprehend.

Not to mention damn near impossible. The millions of Mexican immegrants live among even greater millions of Spanish-speaking natives, second, third, fourth generation immigrants -- or people who didn't move, it was the border that moved, as the saying goes. Tell me how you're going to pick the illegal immigrants out of the population of Nogales AZ or San Diego's southern districts.

Barry Dauphin said...

Tell me how you're going to pick the illegal immigrants out of the population of Nogales AZ or San Diego's southern districts.

As someone once said:
"Not gonna do it; wouldn't be prudent"

madawaskan said...

I found this at an Economics blog-it is a study done at Duke University and responds to the idea that Latinos do not assimilate. It appears that the rate of assimilation is not any less than any other group. That is the conclusion of the blog-I haven't read all of it yet-but I thought some of you might be interested in it.

Link to Duke Economics

Ha! Wouldn't be prudent! That Dana Carvey imitation of Bush Sr. keeps running through my head during all of this. I thought that was what Conservativism was about. Not making sudden large changes...

Goldwater, Bush Sr., and Bush 41 all have one thing in common and it is a skill set that has to account for multiple variables, input various information and keep things on an even keel. You have to scan the event horizon, read the instuments and the biggest crime when applying this skill is to overcontrol the damn thing....

They all were pilots.

terrye said...

There have always been a group out there whose idea of border control was to shoot them all but the point is there was no big comprehensive plan put forth by any President and I think that some hardliners are oblivious to the fact that they are beginning to look and sound paranoid.

First it was Dubai and the charge that Bush was going to give the ports to terrorists so that they could kill us all. Now we are hearing that he is going to let the Mexicans steal the southwest and nothing short of {What???} will save us from the new enemy, or old enemy...the evil wetback. At any rate it is all or nothing. They either get their way all the time or they just hand it over to the Democrats and get even less.

Which leads me to wonder if this is about border control or just an excuse to be overbearing and obnoxious and throw their weight around.

I know I am getting sick of it.

And look at our Attorney General. Does he wear a funny hat and refuse to speak English and sell drugs?

Jeez Marie, it is embarassing to watch these people froth at the mouth.

Seneca the Younger said...

Terrye, honestly, I've begun to think the core issue is a deep-seated fear that they can't possibly learn enough Spanish to get by.

Knucklehead said...

StY,

I have this sneaking suspicion that some blogs that take a certain, ummm... hard line re: the Invasion of the Job Snatching Wetbacks have discovered that their hits jumped through the roof. From there it becomes obvious that foaming lunacy about single issue is the path to generating hits.

All the BDS sufferers will check into DU and KOS to vent. The sites we've known as sensible "conservative" sites are jockeying for position in the hits parade. Its sorta like sweeps week for the TV. This a hits generating issue, the more foam and spittle spewing the better.

gumshoe1 said...

"All the BDS sufferers will check into DU and KOS to vent. The sites we've known as sensible "conservative" sites are jockeying for position in the hits parade. Its sorta like sweeps week for the TV. This a hits generating issue, the more foam and spittle spewing the better. "


which is why YARGB is such an enjoyable read,knuck.

skookum's recent posts have been great on the whole thing,
as an example.

Seneca the Younger said...

Loner, I should have said "some speeches" --- I was thinking of his candidacy and (secondarily) of some egregiously stupid speeches he made in southern Arizona.

terrye said...

I just wish people could be reasonable in the debate, and respectful. It is not necessary over even likely that people will always agree, but when they begin to stray off into the silly..I just lose patience.

And I think knucklehead is right. In fact the Anchoress made a point that when on line, if one gets a lot of like minded feedback it is easy to be lulled into a sense of importance that might be delusional.

terrye said...

gumshoe:

Yes, skook is very good.