Immigration and the Right

Thursday, December 08, 2005
I think that George Bush is facing reality when he endorses a guest worker program.

Some conservatives disagree.

At Polipundit Jayson has some interesting statistics citing real improvement in terms of immigration and security; while Polipundit feels quite differently, fearing a backlash against Republicans if more stringent measures are not taken.

I am not sure what these measures are supposed to entail however.

I grew up in the southwest and once the subsidized water came the people came and the towns and cities grew and the overall border crossings increased.

But it works both ways. I know a young lady who just went to Mexico for a medical procedure performed by an American doctor in a clinic just across the border.

I think it is very late to expect huge changes in this issue quickly and while I believe that the threat of terrorism is real and the borders need to be more secure, I also think there is a little something else going on here. And it is not pretty.


MeaninglessHotAir said...

There's more than one thing going on here. And the issue doesn't really cut along conservative/liberal or Democrat/Republican lines. Some of the issues include: people afraid of losing their jobs, people afraid of losing their culture, people afraid of population growth in general. Many people here in Colorado moved here to get away from the big cities and long commuted of the East; now that the population is growing they want to call a halt to it because it is having a detrimental impact on their standard of living. It's selfish reasoning which clothes itself in the mantel of altruism via the magic incantation: "environmentalism".

chuck said...

I am not worried about illegal immigration from Mexico so much as integrating the folks who are here. I have worked with illegals and they were among the hardest working people I've seen, especially when contrasted with the Americans who get stuck in the grungy jobs these days (ahem). That's a big plus and a big step up on the American ladder as far as I am concerned. Now if the immigrants only wanted education and advancement as much as they wanted work...

Rick Ballard said...


Isn't that for the third generation? First generation struggles like mad and sweats their own kids, second generation stops sweating the kids as casual labor and makes them sweat in school in order to advance themselves, third generation makes some dough and tells their kids "Hey, no sweat." Fourth generation thinks sweat only occurs on the playing field.

That's been my observation on Italians, Armenians and Mexicans. YMMV. I played ball with some great third generation Mexican kids 35 years ago and their kids didn't turn out as well as my friends parents did. I'll never forget the pride that those second generation dad's showed because their kids were 'real' Americans and could play instead of pick.

terrye said...

When I farmed it was getting more difficult every damn year to find a hay crew. That may seem like a small thing but my grandparents left Oklahoma in the 30's and went to California to pick fruit after their farm blew away.

Can we even imagine that scenario today?

I think it is fear and in some ways a throwback to the old days. Americans have always depended on immigrants and resented them, at the same time.

Buddy Larsen said...

MHA, I don't know why the humans-are-a-disease gang within the green movement don't just put their butts where their mouths are and go jump off one o' them gorgeous high Rocky mountains.

Buddy Larsen said...

It's a side issue for sure, but I was gratified a few weeks ago to see Vincente Fox slapdown that Venezuelan Red dictator Hugo Chavez. Mexico may be a mess, but the PANs know that progress will come only through cementing alliances within North America.

Knucklehead said...

It seems to me that everyone wants to pretend that "illegal immigration" is a single problem with some single solution. It isn't.

People leave somewhere because it sucks, at least for them, where they are. They go somewhere because there is something of some value to them, or at least they believe there is.

If we could somehow magically close the borders to illegal immigrants it would change the nature of the problem from "what do we do with them here" to "when is the stuff gonna hit the fan down there and cost us even more".

And we'd still have somewhere between six and fourteen million (those seem to be the lower and upper estimates that I have seen) illegals already here. There is no way - no way - we are going to round up any significant portion of such a large number and deport them. It is not going to happen.

There are three basic problems with myriads of sub-issues. We need to find some way to help Mexico solve its problems so that so many people won't want to leave. We have to control our own borders and make it less attractive to come here so that some of those who still want to leave Mexico won't pick the US. And we've got to figure out what to do about the millions here who do not wish to return.