Quagmire

Thursday, December 08, 2005
… 77 percent of Afghans say their country is headed in the right direction — compared with 30 percent in the vastly better-off United States. Ninety-one percent prefer the current Afghan government to the Taliban regime, and 87 percent call the U.S.-led overthrow of the Taliban good for their country. Osama bin Laden, for his part, is as unpopular as the Taliban; nine in 10 view him unfavorably.

Progress fuels these views: Despite the country's continued problems, 85 percent of Afghans say living conditions there are better now than they were under the Taliban. Eighty percent cite improved freedom to express political views. And 75 percent say their security from crime and violence has improved as well. After decades of oppression and war, many Afghans see a better life.

ABC News: Poll: Four Years After the Fall of the Taliban, Afghans Optimistic About the Future

13 comments:

markg8 said...

Why doesn't Bush follow his own model from Afghanistan in Iraq? Granted they aren't even close when it comes to development, Iraqis have much higher expectations when it comes to electricity, water etc. but security seems to be working, especially because of the Japanese led disarmament program. It'd also be more in line with what he promised back in the 2000 campaign.

ambisinistral said...

Yea, after all, what works for one group of fuzzy-wuzzies is bound to work for another.

Seneca the Younger said...

Mark: Bush's model:

(1) throw out the bad guys
(2) establish a democratic, popularly elected government.
(3) leave.

Both Afghanistan and Iraq are in stage 2.

Julian Biggs said...

The report is very heartening.

Almost as encouraging is the way the information is presented in a relatively neutral and objective tone supported by links to the source material and underlying methodology.

Is the MSM re-learning the craft of news reporting from the blogosphere?

Morgan said...

Oh, sure, things look good now. Just wait until winter.

Seneca the Younger said...

Oh, sure, things look good now. Just wait until winter.

You're not kidding: it's freaking freezing.

Oh, you meant in Afghanistan.

Seneca the Younger said...

… but seriously, I was always a little astonished about that. Afghanistan and Colorado have very similar climates and topography, and we never worry that the Army won't be able to operate at Fort Carson in the wintertime.

clarice said...

Iraq, Another Afghanistan

some quagmires

ambisinistral said...

This is a pretty entertaining trip down memory lane.

terrye said...

mark:

Well maybe that is because the anti war movement has not been giving as much aid and comfort to the Taliban as they have the Iraqi terrorists.

clarice said...

Actually Mark Steyn (at the time so it counts more) had at least one side splitting riff on the Afgham winter..and the tnrie quagmire shtick.

Peter UK said...

Clarice,
"Wasn't it soemthing like the "Brutal Afghan Spring followed by the brutal Afghan Summer"?

clarice said...

You may have to get his book Eye of the Tiger to get the original which seems to have disappeared from the net. He repeated the reference on several occasions. Instapundit caught the reference in Steyn's discussion about "The Jenin Massacre":

[quote]THE BRUTAL AFGHAN WINTER! = Daytime temperatures 40 degrees higher than New Hampshire.
THE MIGHTY PASHTUN WARRIOR, HUMBLER OF EMPIRES! = El floppo loser face down in a daisycutter crater.
THE SEETHING ARAB STREET! = Westchester county cul-de-sac.
THE JENIN MASSACRE! = The brutal Afghan winter.
THE MIGHTY SANDSTORM THAT’S STALLED THE AMERICAN ADVANCE IN THE QUAGMIRE OF MESOPOTAMIA! = A short rest stop in the fastest heavy-armor advance in military history.
BAGHDAD IS THE NEW STALINGRAD! = Baghdad is the new Kabul.
THE WORST CULTURAL DESCRATION IN HISTORY! = Thirty missing potshards.
THERE ARE NO AMERICANS AT THE AIRPORT!! (Robert Fisk, Andrew Gilligan, etc) = Rumsfeld’s cutting the ribbon at the Terminal B Starbucks.[/quote]

I adore Steyn who I think is one of the most brilliant and prolific writers. Not only is he funny, but he's also right, and no does a better job at puncturing the conventional wisdom of dumb journos.