Friday, March 23, 2007

Dafydd says Steyn is wrong

I have to admit, I have wondered if Europe is ready to give up sex, drugs and rock and roll. As well as art and science and everything else.

From Dafydd:

There is a reason, a strong reason, why the West dominates the entire world, sitting astride it as a colossus. It is because Western culture in general, and American culture in particular (as the West's "shining city on a hill"), is Borg culture: We assimilate the best parts of all other cultures we contact, becoming stronger thereby. Resistance is futile.

I do not see us bowing down and surrendering to these turban-headed, Koran-waving, fatwah-issuing, jihadist popinjays and blusterers... no matter what Mark Steyn thinks. We sent them reeling back from the gates of Vienna; we brought the Barbary pirates to their knees -- literally; we crushed Turkey and Araby as a side dish in the Great War; and we dispatched the Taliban and the Baathists in a campaign that lasted about as long as it took to ship our soldiers to the field.

That jihadists, Shia and Sunni, are still extant is a testament to their relative insignificance. Until 9/11, we were barely even aware of their existence; we were too worried about Communism -- a thoroughly Western perverson. Now that the sleeping giant has awakened, terrorists are dying hot and cowardly throughout the ummah; and we have even managed to turn their more modern Moslem brothers against them.

The men and women of the West are simply not going to kowtow to a gaggle (even a largish gaggle) of child-immolating minions of Moloch... not even in "Europe" (as if it were monolithic). And as exhibit A, read this:

A German judge has stirred a storm of protest here by citing the Koran in turning down a German Muslim woman’s request for a fast-track divorce on the ground that her husband beat her.

In a remarkable ruling that underlines the tension between Muslim customs and European laws, the judge, Christa Datz-Winter, said that the couple came from a Moroccan cultural milieu, in which she said it was common for husbands to beat their wives. The Koran, she wrote, sanctions such physical abuse.

But wait! Doesn't that completely undermine everything I just said? A German judge -- a woman, in fact -- has just denied a fellow woman an emergency divorce from her abusive husband... in essence, on the grounds of Sharia law. She ruled that the woman must endure the legally required year-long separation... even if that means her violent and sadistic husband kills her for his "honor.'

Surely that must be evidence that Europe has given up and surrendered to the dark side! Oh, but read on:


Knucklehead said...

Nopey dopey, Europey is finished. Steyn and others may think it is a one or two generation thing and they may be wrong about that. Perhaps three or even four generations will be required. But Europe is finished. No doubt about it.

The Mussies were turned back at the Gates of Vienna but back then somebody on our side cared. That's not the situation these days.

buddy larsen said...

Commies then, Muzzies now.

Always the mind-control ideologies, always USA as the thing that must die for them to live.

Anonymous said...

The Islamification of Europe, the continent that our elites have always viewed as being that of our cultural betters, will have a staggering impact on us that we can't yet imagine. It could certainly weaken us. But if its descent into chaos makes us more resilient and cures us of our insane need to be liked by the world, we may in the end be better off.

terrye said...

I don't think it has to happen. Demographics are not like the laws of physics. They are subject to society's whim.

Barry Dauphin said...

Demographics are not like physics, but they are not like television programming either. A society cannot wish itself to have had more babies 20 years ago (or any time in the past). Yes, they can curtail immigration, but that still isn't going to solve the issue. The French, the Germans, etc. can start having more babies today, but that is not a retroactive effect. Demographics are why we have to be conerned about Social Security fixes sooner rather than later (and why I think Bush was right in 2005 to push for partial privitization). This is a serious porblem that goes beyond political will, even if the political will were there to begin with.

Peter UK said...

It might be pointed out that Rome assimilated so many other cultures that its own were lost,Roman society became debased,its religions lost,the ruling class became effete and depraved,the military relied on foreigners to man the legions.The Roman Games descended into a blood bath for the entertainment of the Roman mob.
Those who came after used the stone of the vast monument to build their huts,farmers were amazed at how fertile the soil of the arena was.

Syl said...

We're dooooooooooooomed.

Your model of the future of Europe has many flaws because you aren't considering possible change within the muslim population itself as the decades roll by or the possibility of other changes in society and economics.

Not to mention one European country could explode and scare the rest of them into something drastic...but it might not even have to come to that.

The point is, this news from Germany and murmurs I am hearing from elsewhere in Europe give me much hope.

And all you have to offer in return is one factor.

Yes, I'm aware there is still a lot of work to do in areas such as education of the next generations and the big job we're working on now to kille the desire of the radicals to use death as a recruiting tool and weapon.

I read tonite that the Islamist recruiter, Butt, who gave an interview I read in one of the British papers about 5 years ago has renounced violence.

I remember he had said that according to Islamic law they could not attack their host country because they were guests. I thought about him when I heard of the bombings in July 2005. Well he said in an interview (to be aired by 60 Minutes) tomorrow that it was those bombings that made him start to question the whole violence route.

Stop the violent jihad, and we can hopefully deal with the expansionist Islamists.

I can even see a european nation with a majority muslim population not becoming an Islamist country but living under the western laws.

I don't believe for a minute it's impossible.