The bodies, the bodies!

Thursday, January 19, 2006
Back to Damadola...

(I think the old saw is true: that the only way Americans learn geography is by going to war...how many Americans could find Afghanistan on the map before 9/11? Ever heard of Fallujah before Iraq?)

From the AP:



Pakistani intelligence agents hunted Wednesday for the graves of four al-Qaida militants believed killed in an airstrike near the Afghan border -- including at least one suspected high-ranking al-Qaida figure. ABC News and The New York Times reported that Pakistani officials believe a master bomb maker and chemical weapons expert for al-Qaida was killed in the attack on the village of Damadola last week. He was identified as Midhat Mursi, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri, who ran an al-Qaida training camp and has a $5 million reward on his head. Also killed, Pakistani officials believe, was Khalid Habib, the al-Qaida operations chief for Pakistan and Afghanistan, ABC said. The Times, however, said officials were uncertain about whether he was killed.

The Times also reported that Pakistani officials believe Moroccan Abd al-Rahman al-Maghrebi, the son-in-law of al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the man who ran the group's propaganda in the region, was killed in the strike. ABC described al-Maghrebi as a senior operations commander. The newspaper said an Egyptian chief of insurgent operations in a region near the airstrikes also was believed killed and an Egyptian associate of al-Zawahiri's was possibly slain.

Pentagon officials said they had no information on the reported identities of the dead and CIA spokesman Tom Crispell said the agency could not comment.


That's because nobody has the actual, er, bodies.

The New York Times:


The bodies of the men have not been recovered, but the two officials said the Pakistani authorities had been able to establish through intelligence sources the names of three of those killed in the strikes, and maybe a fourth. Both of the officials have provided reliable information in the past, but neither would be identified because they were not authorized to speak to the news media.
(Bill Roggio at Threats Watch says 'According to a trusted source, the DNA tests are complete and the two other other “foreigners” killed are said to be al-Qaeda bodyguards.' But, um, they don't have any bodies so I doubt that.)

So four, or five. Big ones. But there is yet another wrinkle. Two more bodies seem to be missing:

2 graves near Damadola found empty

The villagers are claiming 18 innocents died in the attack. There are 18 graves to match. But two are empty.

So the villagers, who insist no foreigners were in the area, were busy little beavers. They sorted the bodies, dug graves, buried the locals, and hid the foreigners.

And it's possible that an early report saying there were as many as 7 foreigners may have been correct after all.

Or not.

96 comments:

markg8 said...

Corpses are a serious health hazard in the desert not to mention they start to stink like the rotting meat they are so they traditionally bury 'em quickly in Islamic countries. And before Chickenhawk chimes in to tell us Pakistan isn't a desert country that doesn't change the religious imperative.

Syl said...

mark

What does that have to do with anything? We all know that.

And it has nothing to do with HIDING bodies of foreigners. Ain't in the Koran.

markg8 said...

We all know those hillbillies are sympathetic to Al Qaeda. But the 2 empty graves could be them just making an initial miscount of the dead or not wanting to admit some kids they claimed died were actually at home in bed. Or of course somebody just making stuff up to tell the man. It's hard to believe these people would let anybody disturb let alone dig up these graves. You've got DNA tests but no recovered bodies. The reports smell like rumor mongering to me and what does any of this have to do with geography?

Buddy Larsen said...

Peter, you're giving Mark the heebeejeebies--he's burying people in the desert even tho it ain't the desert--

Anyhoo--news flash--bin Laden tape offers 'truce'?

The mkts went straight up on the news, a few minutes ago--stand by--

David Thomson said...

The odds suggest that a good number of Osama bin Ladin’s people will never again threaten us. There may not be any remaining per se bodies---but just some bits of flesh to be tested. Getting hit by a modern day missile is not good for one’s appearances. In such cases, open casket funerals are often an impossibility.

markg8 said...

The Al Jazeera blurb on their site says "Osama Bin Laden warns of imminent attack. More soon..." I guess they need time to translate.

Be interesting to hear it. The Reuters and AP news reports says he's planning attacks in the US but could call them off to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan instead of wasting all the money on arms.

David Thomson said...

"Osama Bin Laden warns of imminent attack. More soon..."

Thankfully, the Bush administration has relentlessly pursued Osama bin Ladin’s forces. This lessens the likelihood of Al Quaeda being able to carry out terrorists attacks on our shores.

CF said...

I think we have special ops guys in the area..and they removed the bodies and set the IED in the neighbring village to nab a couple who got away.(I know the Pak paper reported villagers saying those 2 were in their thirties..but I'd give that as much credence as wedding party claims).

Peter UK said...

This burying bodies in the desert,is Markg8 still on the mob in Las Vegas thread?

Peter UK said...

"Corpses are a serious health hazard in the desert not to mention they start to stink like the rotting meat"

Despite the fact that they are vegetables?

flenser said...

Are Al Queda crying Uncle?

"We do not mind offering you a long-term truce with fair conditions that we adhere to," he said. "We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America."

After expending a great deal of effort in trying to destroy Iraqi infrastructure, including oil pipelines, water treatment facilities, and electrical generation plants, Al Queda is suddenly concerned with "building" Iraq?

Peter UK said...

Well,will you look at that,the village of Damadola is in the MOUNTAINS.

markg8 said...

After expending a great deal of effort in trying to destroy Iraqi infrastructure, including oil pipelines, water treatment facilities, and electrical generation plants, Al Queda is suddenly concerned with "building" Iraq?

Probably not but it might look that way to Iraqis.

markg8 said...

If I was Bush I'd tell him to turn himself into the proper authorities for extradition to the US for trial on grounds of murder of thousands of people on 9/11 if he's serious about peace.

Peter UK said...

So Osama bin Laden can now transform himself "If I was Bush I'd tell him to turn himself into the proper authorities",
Terrorist turns himself INTO the ICC !

Priceless!

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Knucklehead said...

With apologies to Johnny Paycheck:

Take your truce and shove it,
You ain't diddley here no more.
These folks just don't care,
About all the reasons you been killin' for.
You better not try to stand in my way,
As I'm a stompin' you some more.
Take your truce and shove it,
You ain't diddley here no more.


Other than early onset dimentia I have no idea why such things pop into my head.

Seneca the Younger said...

Mark, the Quran says "by the next sunset". not "in the middle of the night while waiting for another incoming."

Hmm. The Turing word is "cbo dolt".

I wonder what "cbo" means

Seneca the Younger said...

Offering a truce "until we can rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan" doesn't strike me as that great a deal.

"Hey, tell you what. Time out until I can build up a base to attack you again. And stop killing my guys."

Buddy Larsen said...

Wonder if the truce offer has anything to do with the referral pressure on the Iran gov't?

Syl said...

Bush should respond reasonably as well

Words fail me.

Have you ever heard of hudna?

There is no such thing as a truce in the Western sense of the word in Islam.

Take your friggin' empathy and shove it.

markg8 said...

Or the Jack Abramoff scandal?

markg8 said...

Hey if you want to cede more of the moral high ground to a murderer be my guest. But it ain't gonna help our troops in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

Knucklehead said...

I happened to be looking up foreign words and phrases when a veritable flood of them were called to mind by a certain somebody:

ad absurdum, ad infinitum, ad nauseam (a priori), deus ex machina, enfant terrible, persona non grata, Weltschmerz, and last, but hardly least, putz.

Buddy Larsen said...

"I have no idea why such things pop into my head."

Because you left the door open?

Peter UK said...

Narkg8,
It spoils the joke having to explain it to you,the phrase should be IN TO not the word INTO.
Now run along and enroll in some remedial English lessons.

Buddy Larsen said...

Ahh, got "Abramoff" in--good show, Mark!

markg8 said...

Oh My God! Lil Chickenhawk found another grammar mistake. How will I ever recover?

Buddy Larsen said...

Like turning in to a driveway leaves you free to not be asphalt?

Peter UK said...

Markg8.
"Hey if you want to cede more of the moral high ground to a murderer be my guest. "
Exactly what moral highground does Osama bin Laden occupy with you and the left in general? The highground of which we are ceding more.

Peter UK said...

Sloppy english means sloppy thinking Markg8.

Knucklehead said...

Buddy,

Because you left the door open?

That can't be it. I keep all doors and windows tightly locked and all shades drawn at all times.

A winter’s day
In a deep and dark december;
I am alone,
Gazing from my window to the streets below
On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow.
I am a rock,
I am an island.
I’ve built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It’s laughter and it’s loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

Don’t talk of love,
But I’ve heard the words before;
It’s sleeping in my memory.
I won’t disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me;
I am shielded in my armor,
Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
I touch no one and no one touches me.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.

markg8 said...

There are hundreds of millions of Islamic people, not a few of which are living in wartorn Iraq who might cling to this as a glimmer of hope for peace. If Bush's response stomps all over their hope in a pointless show of bravado you know who they're going to blame. The nearest guy in a US or UK army uniform.

Syl said...

Ah, poor Mark. Just when the Dem noise makers are screaming about impeaching Bush over NSA surveillance up pops Osama to remind Americans WHY Bush is doing it.

Howard Dean got his cheap shot in at Bush today saying the fight with al Qaeda is in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

Somebody should remind him about Zarqawi and that al Qaeda's resources were expended on Iraq instead of Aghanistan. Now that Zarqawi is losing the battle in Iraq, al Qaeda has decided to concentrate on Afghanistan again.

Oh, and I'm sure Dean ignored the new information re Saddam training thousands of Islamist terrorists in THREE training camps in Iraq-up through 2002.

Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. Sure.

Buddy Larsen said...

I still can't keep a S&G CD around here--the kids hear it playing, and off it goes to that 100% one-way, permananent bye-bye that always opens with "Borrowed yer S & G dad, want to burn it, have it back in a day or two!" I've lost four or five S & G that way. Sweet, high harmony--gets ya. Everly Bros, Kingston Trio--can't keep a private stock--kids get 'em all. Time is ripe for another high-harmony group, hey?

Knucklehead said...

Pull the trigger by midnight tonight and get not one, not two, but three A-Q commanders (ThreatsWatch, ht: Instapundit).

Hmmm....

The final results of from the airstrike in the Pakistani border town of Damadola are now known. In addition to Abu Khabab al-Masri, who was al-Qaeda’s chief bomb maker, head of the WMD program, and former terror camp commander, two other al-Qaeda commanders were killed in the strike. ABC News confirms that Khalid Habib [or Khaled al-Harbi] and Abdul Rehman al Magrabi perished in the attack.

Khaled al-Harbi is al-Qaeda’s operational commander in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Al-Harbi splits duty in Afghanistan with Abd al Hadi Al Iraqi, and both are considered “two of [al-Qaeda’s] most able commanders”.

Abdul Rehman al Magrabi, a Moroccan, is thought to be al-Qaeda’s commander in Pakistan, and is said to have replaced Abu Hamza Rabia, who was killed in Pakistan on December 1, 2005.

According to a trusted source, the DNA tests are complete and the two other other “foreigners” killed are said to be al-Qaeda bodyguards. Ayman al-Zawahiri appears to have slipped the net.


and yet... How many mafia movies have there been where the "stoolie", the turncoat, suddenly steps away, slips the net so to speak, immediately prior to the big hit going down.

The nature of the intelligence on this meeting gives clues as to the nature of intelligence operations in the region: either the U.S. has sophisticate signals intelligence able to penetrate al-Qaeda’s communications; there are one or several high value human intelligence sources within al-Qaeda and the Taliban; or a combination of the two. Whatever the answer, al-Qaeda has loot (sic) five senior leaders over the span of five weeks.

I think Don OBLs various factions had best get their arses to the mattresses, trust nobody (especially their own), and run a serious internal war to clean house. How can they be sure it wasn't #2, or even #1, who turned? Beter safe than sorry.

Knucklehead said...

Buddy,

I've developed a solution to that problem. If they deny me the ability to listen then I am forced to sing. Teaches 'em to make necessary choices between the lesser of two evils.

Buddy Larsen said...

Mark, if Iraq (mostly peaceful, with a few 'hot' areas that're hot due to isolated--deadly yes, but isolated--explosive devices) is "war-torn", then what term do we use for say WWII Germany, Italy, Japan, the Phillipines, and USSR?

"Really, really, REALLY war-torn?"

chuck said...

How can they be sure it wasn't #2, or even #1, who turned?

Keep 'em guessing, I say. It will be good for their souls.

Buddy Larsen said...

Knuck, just the thought of it makes me want to send you my Amazon codes.
\:-D

Buddy Larsen said...

Please, buy the warehouse--on me!

Knucklehead said...

I have this idea for a new sitcom. For sets and costumes it should do a straight ripoff from That 70's Show. The title would be Putz and the Weltschmerz. It's about a burnout Ben and Jerry wannabee who, now approaching 50, lives in his mom's basement with his imaginary, talking hound dog which, when it isn't spouting Marx, won't stop baying at the moon. I'm thinkin' a lot of CSNY background music...

Knucklehead said...

Buddy,

Don't use big words like "reallyreally". It just confuses the animals.

Specter said...

And I thought I was chickenhawk...bummer...Guess I'll be Foghorn Leghorn then.

The questions that have not yet been asked are:
1) Is it Osama
2) When was it made

The answer to 1 will be answered by the techs shortly. But the answer to 2 might be a bit harder. The problem is that the tape refers to "you have heard explosions in Europe" or something like that. Then it goes on to claim that some are coming soon in the US. The problem is that the last "explosions" heard in Europe were in London last July. Why wait this long to publish the propaganda?

Mark - don't make me punish you again about Abramoff.....

Peter UK said...

Knucklehead,
This might be the ideal theme song for the Show

markg8 said...

Make up your mind spector. You either did or didn't delete my posts on the other thread. LOL or is it just "ioiyar" to lie on one post and admit it on another?

Peter UK said...
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Syl said...

specter

CNN has the full transcript (al-jazeera only played parts). And someone who has read it says he refers to the November 2005 article out of Britain re Bush wanting to bomb al-jazeera.

(Wonder why al-jazeera didn't air that part...heh)

So the tape was made after that. Fairly recently.

Specter said...

mark,

I don't own this site. I can't delete posts. But I did post facts and I know that just tears you apart...

Specter

Specter said...

syl,

Thanks for the update. I had not seen the transcript. So much for my hope that OBL died last year...

Specter

markg8 said...

Let's remember all that spector when the indictments come down shall we? I figure you guys will all be screaming that the Justice Dept. is swimming with Democrats come this summer because you let yourselves be hoodwinked about the difference between legal lobbying and criminal behavior. Don't say I didn't try to warn ya.

Specter said...

Oh....you mean like all the ones Fitz...Fitz... (now what was that guy's name?....used to know it when certain people thought it was the biggest thing to come along...can't seem to remember) came up with?

Specter

markg8 said...

Yo got a link for that full transcript Syl? I can't find it at CNN.

Buddy Larsen said...

No worries, there, Mark--you've taught us all how to be never right, and never worried about it.

Buddy Larsen said...

"Suite Judy Blue Eyes! How can I weigh THAT MUCH?"

markg8 said...

Fitzgerald is the name you're looking for. I wonder how that second grand jury he convened is doing.

But no I was actually thinking about the 13 field offices and 50 or so invesigators they have looking into the Abramoff allegations alone. They consider Jack to be a mid level guy on the totem poll of malefactors so I imagine they have some big fish to fry and a clue for ya: it isn't Reid or Dorgan. But you go on believing what you want until it all comes tumbling down. Go over to Josh Marshall's site if you want more.

Peter UK said...

Knucklehead,
The main protagonist should be played by Emo Phillips
I can hear Markg8 saying,"Some morning it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps"

markg8 said...

Or maybe this:

It's been a long time comin',
It's going to be a long time gone.
But you know, the darkest hour,
Is always, always just before the dawn.
And it appears to be a long,
Appears to be a long,
Appears to be a long time,
Such a long, long, long, long time before the dawn

markg8 said...

Your gonna love this. I went to high school with that guy but never even knew it til he became sorta famous. It was a big high school. I like Judy Tenuta better.

Buddy Larsen said...

So, who's the next target--Ed Meese?

markg8 said...

Could be Buddy. What have ya heard?

Syl said...

The transcript isn't posted, AFAIK. Someone on CNN had read it and reported that tidbit.

markg8 said...

CIA confirms it's Osama. Will not confirm if Roger Simon is still alive.

Buddy Larsen said...

How 'bout Jesus--did anyone ever actually SEE a bill of sale for those sandals?

Better investigate!

Syl said...

mark

don't get your hopes up.

The Dems are scaring people with all this talk of impeachment over something the American people don't think is a bad thing. If it isn't legal they just want somebody to make it legal and then shut up about it.

Dems and their political wisdom. Since their basic beliefs are screwed up, there's no way they can help themselves from stepping in it over and over and over.

markg8 said...

I wonder why they never post the whole transcript? Don't they think we can handle it? Or are there secret passwords he's passing to Howard Dean they want to withhold?

markg8 said...

Well maybe it's scaring you syl but maybe it ought to. Ya know the way this works is if they find a phone number or email address they dig through all the phone numbers and email addreesses attached to it and then keep doing it. How long does it take til they get to you and Kevin Bacon? Something they're looking for could be spread by porn spam and if it's in your inbox?

Peter UK said...

Markg8,
are you not pleased that several al Qaeda leaders have been killed isn't this what you wanted, AQ hunted down?

Why are you playing down this victory in the WoT?

Peter UK said...

Markg8,
"Or are there secret passwords he's passing to Howard Dean they want to withhold?"
You are right that is the most likely reason.

Buddy Larsen said...

What are we talking about, impeachment or the internet? What? Did you hear that?

Peter UK said...

Buddy,
Markg8 is doing what AQ did,bury the bodies as soon as possible.

Buddy Larsen said...

Haven't you noted, Peter, that the left hits the same topics daily, on cue? When Mark fired off on the 'can't catch OBL' bit, so did every talking donkey on cable TV.

It's that way every day.

Mark simply hasn't yet been told how to 'play' the big AQ kill yet--we'll hear the response soon enough.

Buddy Larsen said...

"...bury the bodies as soon as possible.'

Yeh, dead bodies are a health hazard in the desert, didn't you know?

Here in the temperate zones we just prop 'em up at the kitchen table and forget about 'em.

markg8 said...

LOL no wonder your kids never come to visit Buddy.

Peter UK said...

Or if you ar Markg8,you keep cashing the welfare cheques.

markg8 said...

Gotta run folks. My birthday present just called she's already in Harrisburg. I gotta do some cleaning and shopping. So enjoy the chatter and
don't write anything you'll regret latter.

Peter UK said...

Buddy,

It is more fun when the Markg8s keep ranting whilst head office has moved on,similar to Japanese soldiers fighting on deep in the jungle long after the Emperor surendered.

Have you noticed how they never rejoice in any victory,either carping or going into deep mourning,you'd almost think they were on the other side.
Of course some of them don't actually know where their paycheque comes from.

Buddy Larsen said...

...and voting in all the close elections.

Syl said...

How long does it take til they get to you and Kevin Bacon?

I don't care.

I wouldn't have cared even before 9/11.

The NSA doesn't arrest people.

Ever since I got online I work under the assumption that nothing I say is private. Nothing. Even e-mail. Especially e-mail.

Phones don't worry me either. I never talk on the phone anyway because I keep pretty odd hours. I keep in touch with family via email.

The internet has just made life seem much more transparent. I'm one of millions. And I just don't worry about it. I think all this faux concern is so '70's

Buddy Larsen said...

I agree, Syl. But if I were in the porn or drug biz, I would be very much against NSA. What the hell is such a big deal about a little terrorism, anyhoo?

NSA is safe for the vice-merchants now, but what if Aunt Hillary gets elected?

The children-raisin' villagers are going to maybe want to grab the torches and pitchforks and go get the Dr. Frankensteins.

Peter UK said...

Have a good time Markg8,don't forget the Viagra...are you sure your little problem has cleared up?

Specter said...

Check out the latest from the Kos Kooky Kids - ABP has a list of some of their latest comments amongst themselves....really funny if it weren't so scary. Does Mark go under another name there?

Specter

Buddy Larsen said...

Yep, they're too far gone to even bother with. Fortunately, there's all those over-18 folks out in flyover country, who vote.

Buddy Larsen said...

Bush staffs Al-Jazeera, see, and 'they' keep it quiet because he's the 13th Imam.

Buddy Larsen said...

Re ABP post, it DOES seem that every second nutjob is named "mark" doesn't it. Maybe there's something to that 'name' theory--as if you name yer kid 'mark', he becomes a 'mark' for every crackpot notion that comes down the pike.

Peter UK said...

Specter Markg8 is Mark Garrity.

Peter UK said...

Buddy,
They call them Mark because that is the only name the kid can pronounce.

Syl said...

Buddy

Here in the temperate zones we just prop 'em up at the kitchen table and forget about 'em.

ROTF!

Well, off to snooze a bit...

Specter said...

All right....maybe I'm ignorant about it...but does the name Mark Garrity - other than he is markg8 - have special significance?

terrye said...

syl, I feel the same way. Whatever people want to know about me they can find out. Nothing is private anymore.

I am more concerned about AlQaida.

Gale does not have a phone, he uses mine. He rarely goes on line, and he pays cash. But he pays property taxes and so he is easy to find.

Unless you are an illegal alien cleaning Hillary's house there is no way you can hide.

terrye said...

specter:

He gets around, so much so that Roger Simon banned him.

He should be nice, like me.

Peter UK said...

Specter

Markg8 = Mark Garrity = Internet Herpes.

Specter said...

OK - I figured it out. LOL. I had done a search on his name once and found a "Mark Garrity" in NJ that was doing a report for votetrustusa.org. I was just wondering if I missed something....well obviously not much of anything...

Buddy Larsen said...

yeh--he's a pro. We're part of his workload, i guess.

Buddy Larsen said...

If you're in the mood for hopeful news, item after item of it, go over to Instapundit. So many things are going well--all is not Iran (tho all IS Iran, if it goes bad).

CF said...

I think AQ has been seriously compromised.he round up continues in Pakistan.
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2004/08/30/top4.htm