Politics and War

Thursday, January 19, 2006
It is getting harder and harder to tell the enemy and the loyal opposition apart:

In my response to these fallacies, I say: The war in Iraq is raging and operations in Afghanistan are on the rise in our favour, praise be to God. The Pentagon figures indicate the rise in the number of your dead and wounded, let alone the huge material losses.

To go back to where I started, I say that the results of the poll satisfy sane people and that Bush's objection to them is false.

Reality testifies that the war against America and its allies has not remained confined to Iraq, as he claims. In fact, Iraq has become a point of attraction and recruitment of qualified resources


Believe it or not these words were spoken by Osama Bin Laden, not Nancy Pelosi.

via: powerline

66 comments:

Barry Dauphin said...

It's funny how Osama (or Pelosi for that matter) states things in such peculiar ways as to bend what Bush has said all along. Bush has never said the war was confined to Iraq, but that Iraq was part of the War on Terror, not the entirety of such a war. Preparing for operations but offering a truce? That is right from the DNC playbook (or see the earlier thread on Harry Reid and Las Vegas).

Rick Ballard said...

"Believe it or not these words were spoken by Osama Bin Laden, not Nancy Pelosi."

But you can't prove she didn't write them for him.

flenser said...

Sounds just like mark, doesn't it?

Has anyone ever seen mark and OBL together?

Peter UK said...

These were actually those of Senator Lan Biden D California.

Peter UK said...

This is the authentic voice of the left,makes bin Laden sound like a parson.

Posted at Austin Bay


"Personally I’d love to see the roles reversed, Austin. Car-bombings, beheadings, torture, death squads, and tons of civilian casualties, every day, without rest, smack dab in the middle of your whitebread neighborhood, whilst a bunch of Iraqi and Afghani idiots with blogs broadcast their irrelevant opinions about what a bunch of fascist, terrorist scum you Americans are for resisting such a thing. If there is any justice in the world, Bin Laden’s next move will be on your turf, amongst your friends and family, so as to give you a little dash of perspective on the “war on terror” and that long-term “victory” you’re willing to break international and american law in pursuit of.

ED NOTE TO THIS COMMENT: I lived in New York for eight years (Manhattan) and I’ve worked in the Pentagon. My neighborhood has been attacked.

Comment by Yessir — 1/19/2006 @ 12:54 pm
The same Yessir claims to be a veteran on another blog

Buddy Larsen said...

If Saddam was running this country, yessir would be nossir.

Knucklehead said...

PeterUK,

Astonishing, isn't it. Do you suppose it ever occurred to Yessir that there is a mandatory prerequisite for car-bombings, beheadings, torture, death squads, and tons of civilian casualties, every day, without rest?

For those things to happen in Austin Bay's "whitebread neighborhood", or any other neighborhood, there must first be the sick cultural conditions that produce people who build and explode car-bombs against innocent civilians, capture and behead people in the name of God, find torture a valid pastime, and run around in death squads.

Not to say that such conditions could not develop in, for instance, Austin Bay's "whitebread neighborhood" but it is highly unlikely any time soon. In the meantime those conditions have long existed among those who Yessir empathizes with. Apparently he'd fit right in.

terrye said...

flenser:

Y'know, now that you mention it I have to admit....

Buddy Larsen said...

If he REALLY wanted credibility, instead of vague hints about a Pentagon background, he'd say he is Dwight D. Eisenhower, and that he 'ran D-Day'. THAT'd make 'em sit up and take notice!

terrye said...

I suppose that if Yessir really meant that he could strap a bomb on himself and take one for the team.

moron

Yep, Iraq is full of people yearning for the good ol' days of Saddam and his dictatorship and who think it is really great the way these Yemeni and Jordanian homicidal maniacs come into their country and target civilians. No doubt they are hoping the US gets its ass whipped so that someone like Zaarqawi will be calling the shots. We all know a freaking humanitarian he is.

Peter UK said...

Knucklehead,
How soon does rhetoric become action,for the most part these are young kids full of angst and acne with a piercing in every flap of skin,but some will be seduced by the excitement of it all into making their words concrete.
First they will be recruited by a fairly innocuous invitation to join a group of like minded people,slowly the hardcore will be siphoned off into subgroups for specialist "activities" and indoctrination,eventually they will be drawn into groups with real terrorists and given little jobs to do,pass messages,provide safe houses,soon there will be no going back.
What is most troubling is that these people rgard themselves apart from the commonweal,outside observers as it were,free to make any moral choice they wish.

Peter UK said...

Terrye,
"No doubt they are hoping the US gets its ass whipped",
What is fascinating about this, is the fact that they would like that very eventuality,but do not believe that it would affect them in any way.
That somehow the unleashing of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse will leave them unscathed,there is no unerstanding that the deal is,submission,servitude or death.

Buddy Larsen said...

They may be smarter than that--they know that losing the war means no more than depression, tawdry infrastructure, poverty, disorder, arbitrary laws, weakened Constitution, official corruption, extortion, crime, and misery. In other words, everybody will be like them, what's not to like?

Peter UK said...

The problem is Buddy,many of them regard themselves as liberals,which means for some dangling at the end of a crane or having stumps at the end of their arms.Whilst I think Brabra Streisand would look great in a burqa,a lot of young ladies might not wish to do so.
So for the scantily clad ladies of the West,let us fight the good fight

Buddy Larsen said...

All that dhimmitude will likely mean in their lifetime, that is. Worse later, but not for 20-40 years, so why sweat it?

Peter UK said...

When you look at it like that Buddy,it is almost worth giving up.

Buddy Larsen said...

No, I was speaking as one of the give-uppers.

Nah, America couldn't take dhimmi--it would break up--as bin Laden threatened.

Buddy Larsen said...

But not so long as we got George "Give Me a Libriarian or Give Me Death" Bush!

Peter UK said...

Conan the Librarian?

Buddy Larsen said...

The lovely Miss Laura, liberrian by trade.

Peter UK said...

Some nice lines from Roger's place,
"Binny's back and he's shaking his finger. Frankly, when I finally got around to reading the entire transcript translated by the AP, I actually almost smiled. This dude really sounds like a politician "runnin' scared." He can't believe that his invoking American polls and sticking his nose in our politics is anything but good for Bush. He has to have other intentions. Gerard van der Leun, witty as always, says Osama is tossing his hat in the ring for the Democratic nomination, but if so the wannabe Caliph ought to pay close attention to Hillary's move to the center. (How about "Bin Laden gets tough on terror"? There's a good campaign approach. Follows right in Chirac's footsteps.)

Pity Markg8 doesn't comment there any more.

How good is it for Bush that OBL sounds like a Democratic contender?

Buddy Larsen said...

The Dems should hold their convention is Waziristan--damn good idee, Peter!

Peter UK said...

They would have to quieten Howie down,sounds too much like an extremist,I can see Hillary with a green aura,Ted will have some problems with the booze and the philandering, Biden and Pelosi would lose the plot by demanding al Qaeda withdraw from the US,Being Boomers the would probably all get stoned.

Buddy Larsen said...

What's the diff between a hash-head thinking and Dem leader thinking? None that I could imagine. On to Wazi-Land!

Peter UK said...

First there are important considerations,like Edward's turban training,if you are not careful he will end up wound up like a mummy...lets face it he can't do glasses yet.

Syl said...

The best line from the tirade:

The wise ones know that Bush has no plan

Hey, maybe the translator made it all up and he really said 'Belefonte has no bananas'.

Peter UK said...

How soon will the Democrats cotton on to the fact that their talking points are being repeated by bin Laden and Zawahiri?
Easy to imagine them high fiving each other,"Yeah even bin Laden agrees with us.....?"
Let's hope the bulb doesn't light up too soon.

Buddy Larsen said...

Thursday, January 19, 2006 (scroll down an inch as of now)

JACK CAFFERTY IN THE 'RUBBER ROOM' [John Podhoretz]
Hugh Hewitt recommends changing the name of CNN's "Situation Room" to a title more appropriate for a mental institution on account of the latest nutsy ramble by its "I'm just an old newsman who's seen it all" commentator Jack Cafferty: "The last time we got a tape from Osama bin Laden was right before the 2004 presidential election. Now here we are four days away from hearings starting in Washington into the wire tapping of America's telephones without bothering to get a court order or a warrant, and up pops another tape from Osama bin Laden. Coincidence? Who knows." Hugh's got more Cafferty craziness here.
Posted at 11:16 PM

IOW, guys n' gals, our pres and bin Laden are allies, in a war against (who else could it be?) 'Liberals', according to this 'veteran newsman' who's 'seen it all'.

Stuck, stuck, stuck on stupid, stupid, stupid.

Peter UK said...

They have bin Ladens brain in a jar connected to a super computer with a voice synthesizer...all that is needed is to feed the latest DNC talking points.It's called Operation Dead Parrot.

BTW,If you want to know how low they can sink

Buddy Larsen said...

Do ya see--I'm sure you do--the proof for the need to surrender?

1) OBL disses GWB in order to rally APE (American PEople) to GWB.
2) So, the only way APE can fight OBL is to dump GWB.
3) So, OBL can only be defeated by surrendering to him!

Easy as 1-2-3! Dunno why i dint never see it befo!

Knucklehead said...

PeterUK,

What is most troubling is that these people rgard themselves apart from the commonweal,outside observers as it were,free to make any moral choice they wish.

They believe themselves intellectuals.

Buddy Larsen said...

In the movie "Little Big Man" Custer is surveying the distant Valley of the Little Bighorn. He calls for one of his mule skinners (Little Big man) to come forward. He asks the muleskinner (I paraphrase all this), "Should I go down there?'

Muleskinner: "No, there's thousands of Cheyenne and Sioux warriors down there. We'll all be killed."

Custer: "Aha, since you hate me, you WANT me to think that you mean the opposite of what you say! Therefore, when you say not to go, you want me to think you REALLY mean not to go, therefore, WE SHALL GO! Bugler, Blow the ATTACK!"

Custer, of course, was well-known as a Democratic activist (really, no joke).

Knucklehead said...

Buddy,

That resembles the famous French victory plan of WWII. To this day there is a strong segment who believe it would have worked if the US would have left well enough alone. They believe they would have absorbed the Nazis.

They may actually be correct. The argument that they aren't assumes that the occupying Huns would have had to give up their fascism. I don't think that was necessary. I don't think it was ever the Nazi's facism that the average French objected to. It was only their industriousness. The French were counting on food and wine to take the edge off the Huns industriousness and once they became reasonably laid back, they would all have gotten along just dandy.

Syl said...

Sheesh.

Can Cafferty then think of an explanation why OBL didn't show up just after Katrina?

If ever Bush needed some help, it was then.

Peter UK said...

Word on the street is Don O rang Don G telling him "There is a stone in my shoe".Don G told him "No problem we have the co-ordinates of your underboss,just say the word".
Don O said "Thank you Godfather what can I do for you?"
Don G "Just do that fabulous Nacy Pelosi impersonation one more time".

Buddy Larsen said...

When the war-outcome is uncertain, attack your own leader. That'll dispose of that unsettling uncertainty.

Peter UK said...

Donald sensing's take on Osama's offer

terrye said...

And when Hillary says that we should bring sanctions against Iran and stop wasting our time on the pesky Europeans she really means what? Nuke them?

I hear that is pretty much what Chirac threatened to do.

Gotta love the French. One minute they are kissing your behind and the next they are stabbing you in the back.

The Iranians should stop and ask themselves, "If the French whore cheats on the Great Satan, she might cheat on me too."

Peter UK said...
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Peter UK said...

Terrye,
The prospect that the President of a country armed with thermo-nuclear weapons is a madman who thinks he is the Messiah is horrifying,heaven knows what will happen when Iran gets them as well.

Buddy Larsen said...

I think we all know that the French will pass directly from passivism to savagry, without a moment's pause between. For the same reason, the cities of Islam are lucky for Florida 2000. Al Gore has much more 'red-button' in him than does GWB.

terrye said...

buddy and Peter:

I agree with both of you young men. And will continue to do so until I seem some really stupid puns up here in which case I will go Hillary on you both.

You have been warned.

Buddy Larsen said...

You better be listening, Peter-the-Instigator.

Peter UK said...
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Peter UK said...

Buddy,We are going to be pun-ished,probably sent straight to Instapunish.

Peter UK said...

..and anyway Terrye,you have far too much class to be like Hillary

Buddy Larsen said...

Lucky you stuck that that last one in quick-like, Peter, my monitor was starting to whimper.

Peter UK said...

Mine was so scared it nearly bombed an asprin factory.

Buddy Larsen said...

Mine heard the word Hillary and started burning it's files. It also ran outside, hopped in the Citroen hidden under the haystack, saluted, and lit out for the Pyrenees, with a bren gun sticking out the window.

Peter UK said...

That's nothing,mine was so scared it changed its name to Vichy surrendered and moved to the South of France where it set up business as a typewriter in its wifes name.

Buddy Larsen said...

(--hope Terrye's at least smiling--getting kinda narvous-like around here--)

Knucklehead said...

Thanks for the link to Sensing. That's about the size of it.

Re: Chirac. I think people are reading far too much into what he said. My translation of what he said is, "Eet ees eenoof dat you know, eef you use dees bumb dat you are beeldink, eet woot be wise of you to use eet elsewhere dan le France! Weet dat wee woot haff no quarrel."

Rick Ballard said...

I think the interpretor missed a little, the threat of the use of force de frappucino didn't come accross as weakly as intended.

Peter UK said...

Eh bumb?

Peter UK said...

Don't worry Buddy,Terrye has lots of clients like us.She'll be round with the Ativan any minute now.

Buddy Larsen said...

Rick needs his first, he's lost his dentures.

Buddy Larsen said...

I meant knuck--heh heh--sharp as a razor, me.

Buddy Larsen said...

The makts do not like the Iran situation--the news that the Iran gov't is clearing its deposits out of European banks--in light of their plan to trade in Euros as of March-something--set the sell signals off all over the place. Oil holdings were way up, all else way down. well, after-mkt Treasuries did okay--anything with a higher rate. but, there was no flight-to-quality in them. Where will Iran put its reserves? Even gold was down--but from hyper-lofty recent heights. Gets too crazy, the USAAF may have to come in and calm things down. Can't let Ahchamanijadeddad cause a global crisis.

Buddy Larsen said...

Largest one-day loss since April 2003--so much for bin Laden's remark about "merchants of war".

Buddy Larsen said...

I hope the Force de Frappe flies better than the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle floats.

I think Greenpeace made 'em quit testing, so if the damn things misfire, I hope they at least land on the caribous.

terrye said...

Peter:

I have no class. None. I do not even believe in class.

I also have a number of clients who have problems with continence. I hope to God you guys are not that far gone.

Buddy Larsen said...

No, never, i like all continence--NorthAmerica especially, but the others are great, too.

Peter UK said...

No Miz Terrye our problems are outinence.

Knucklehead said...

Buddy,

Where can anyone put huge amounts of money: the dollar, euro, yen, or yuan.

They're dumping euros but surely not into into dollars. The Japanese have been a bit fiesty lately so I wouldn't expect the Iranians to buy yen. The Yuan just closed up at an all time high, allegedly due to the strength of exports.

Buddy Larsen said...

Had the same thought--but the Yuan is still about 85% dollar-denominated, so that wouldn't add up, if Ahitlermanijad wants to crash the dollar. I'll ask my broker tomorrow--he's got some old pals at Oppenheimer and Goldman Sachs--they'll have some ideas. Funny thing, all the world's major markets--Asia, LatinAmerica, Europe, Japan, have been selling off for two or three days now--esp today, but Russia has been going straight up. Parabolic, 3, 6, 8% per DAY. This tidbit is useless without some idea of the volumes and amounts of capital flow--but, without digging into it, Russia would be a good bet.

Buddy Larsen said...

...course, whether a country imports or exports petro covers the game pretty well, but the financial people figure Russia and Iran both have $100/bbl target. Ancient czarist dreams and the caliphate both, perhaps without firing a shot.