Stephen Hayes gets his wish.

Friday, January 06, 2006
For some time Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard has been wanting the government to release information gleaned from documents found in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. It seems he got his wish.

Over at Powerline there is an excerpt of Hayes's upcoming article stating that Saddam Hussein's regime trained thousands of international terrorists in camps within Iraq in the years leading up to the war.

And there are still millions of pages of documents to be translated.

I wonder what else they will discover?

51 comments:

Jamie Irons said...

Terrye,

This could be an amazing and transformative development.

If one thinks for a moment about why the left has been so determined not to see any connection between Saddam's regime and terrorism, it dawns on one that, more than anything, this effort, so hard to keep up in the face of -- well, almost of common sense, really, and the evidence which was already available to the public (like the $25,000 dollars per Palestinian suicide bomber) -- was an expression of their desire to injure Bush, to prove him "wrong," no matter what.

Jamie Irons

MeaninglessHotAir said...

I'm sure we all know it's a CIA plant because Saddam, being secular, couldn't possibly be sheltering terrorists, who are religious.

terrye said...

It would seem to me that if FDR could work with Stalin and Hitler could work with the Japanese and the Iranians could work with the Russians that it would follow.....

Peter UK said...

and a good Jewish boy and a good Catholic boy,Mayer Lansky and Charles "Lucky" Luciano

Rick Ballard said...

"I wonder what else they will discover?"

Kofi Annan's pager number.

Jacques Chirac's favorite Swiss bank - including account numbers.

Pictures of Gerhard Schroeder in a comprpomising situation involving OBL's favorite pet nanny.

Birth records showing Vladimir Putin to be the Ayatollah Khomeini's natural child by a Russian lady of the evening.

John Kerry's real 201 file.

Hillary Clinton's membership card in the CPUSA.

Canceled checks endorsed by Howard Dean, Larry Johnson, Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson.

A purchase order for 30 tons of yellowcake made out to Cogema signed by Saddam (with detailed instructions on transhipment from Niger through Algeria to Libya).

A rental agreement with Assad for 1,000,000 square feet of warehouse space in Syria for the storage of 'the Hussein family's household goods'.

ex-democrat said...

rick - you forgot george galloway's HIV test results

Syl said...

Three terrorist camps. Training around 2000 terrorists a year from 1999 through 2002.

And we didn't have a clue?

I find it amazing that those who admit our intelligence agencies got the WMD wrong, won't even consider the notion they may have gotten the Saddam/terrorist connection wrong as well.

terrye said...

Syl:

I think that a clue was all they had and when Saddam covered his tracks they lacked the evidence needed to prove it.

Maybe Eason Jordan and Amanpour's home phone numbers will be in those files as well.

David Thomson said...

“I'm sure we all know it's a CIA plant because Saddam, being secular, couldn't possibly be sheltering terrorists, who are religious.”

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Odd couple relationships are actually quite normal. The United States banded together with the Soviet Union to defeat Hitler. What could be weirder?

Peter UK said...

Ex-Democrat,
It isn't AIDS,Galloway has Swine Fever.

Peter UK said...

A question I keep asking is,"Why wouldn't he train terrorists?" After Gulf War I,Saddam Hussein was powerless to exact the revenge that his culture demands what other options did he have?
Since these despots have cheerfully whacking close relatives for generations why would they not turn to a nice clean cut terrorist to expedite the job?

markg8 said...

Um in the aftermath of the first Gulf War Saddam did try to assasinate Poppy Bush during his victory tour of Kuwait and got the sh*t bombed out of him by Clinton for his trouble. He tried revenge and found out it wasn't very healthy.

How long before the administration meekly whispers these documents are bogus or misconstrued late on a Friday afternoon as they have so many times before? Creations of Chalabi's forgers or the fevered imaginations of Daniel Pipes or Doug Feith like those debunked operational connections between Saddam's henchmen and Al Qaeda. Of course that won't stop the rest of you from clinging to these "revelations" that if true, the Bush administration would have trumpeted to the world in a major news conference hosted by Goss to bolster their cause instead of passing them along to a serial exaggerator like Hayes. Folks Saddam didn't send WMD to Syria, he had no operational ties to Al Qaeda and you're seriously deluding yourselves believing in Stephen Hayes after all the disinformation he's served up. The proof is in the pudding. Sure the stuff in his bowl is brown but it isn't chocolate pudding.

JB said...

"Of course that won't stop the rest of you from clinging to these "revelations" that if true, the Bush administration would have trumpeted to the world in a major news conference hosted by Goss to bolster their cause instead of passing them along to a serial exaggerator like Hayes."

Ah, the familiar leftist logic of "Bush hasn't trumpeted it," which wouldn't explain why he waited so long to counteract the "Bush lied" meme.

Simpleminded and lazy.

Peter UK said...

Time to invoke the Inverse Law of Propaganda,if a leftoid turns up claiming,without proof,that something is or is not so,it is an exercise in damage limitation and the truth is the very opposite of what they say.
There must be a bit of a panic on at Deaniac Control,not a big budget one so far,but a panic none the less.

markg8 said...

"which wouldn't explain why he waited so long"

Waited so long to debunk a story that hasn't even hit the newstands and technorati says is already blogged by about 14 different rightwing sites? Pardon me for wating a whole 15 hours to get around to it after it was posted here. Why wouldn't the Bush administration trot out a leading figure to present this info or at least leak it to some credible reporters at some credible news orgs if it was true? They could really, really use some credibility right about now doncha think?

By Monday this will be all over the rightwing blogosphere. Fox News and Rush will pick it up and by Friday the MSM will be asking questions and reporting disclaimers by real intelligence types. You will take this as further evidence that the MSM is nothing but a bunch of traitors and the CIA is actively undermining Bush. Never mind that it's only Stephen Hayes cherry picking old information and putting his own breathless spin on it. It's what you want to believe and so you'll believe it despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Peter UK said...

"despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

Where is your evidence that terrorists were not trained in Iraq?

markg8 said...

C'mon folks if there really was evidence of an operational connection to Al Qaeda and tons of Saddam's WMD moved to Syria, stories the Weekly Standard has tried to sell us time and time and again the Bush Administration would be crazy NOT to bring us the proof. Sure 40% of us aren't going to believe a word of it and 40% of you would believe Osama is at a Hyatt in Miami if they told ya that. But he's lost the other 20% in the middle. They don't read the Weekly Standard or Mother Jones so desperate spinning from Rupert's fringe isn't going to cut it. This may be a blockbuster to you, to me it's just sad.

markg8 said...

Oh there are terrorists being trained in Iraq right now, no doubt about that. Our hard men who trained the Central American death squads at the School of the Americas in Ft. Benning are doing the training for the Iraqi Defense Ministry. I'd guess the Iranians are training SCIRI militias and Sadr's boys. Al Qaeda and Baathists are training their own. The Kurds? They don't need no stinkin badges either.

Peter UK said...

Why are the two wholy separate issues terrorist training and WMD being linked? The post is about the former.

Peter UK said...

10:38 Post omitted Area 51.

Specter said...

mark doesn't have to provide proof...he knows he's right. Did ya have a happy Fitzmas Mark?

markg8 said...

It's about Stephen Hayes and the Weekly Standard is it not? They are both stories they obsess about and are still spinning long after their credibility is shot.

markg8 said...

No spector my mother is still very sick. Did have a Happy New Abramoff though. How 'bout you?

Peter UK said...

Abramoff was,of course, a bipartisan hustler.

JB said...

Nevermind.

I was referring to Bush's recent speeches counteracting the "Bush lied" meme. It's a perfect example that demolishes any leftist-type argument as to what Bush WOULD be doing if he wasn't a ...well, evil moron, or whatever the characterization is. Why did he wait so long when the same could have been done a year ago?

Any "virtual reality community" type arguments based on what Bush WOULD be doing are piffle. Not insightful at all.

It's amazing how most arguments from the left are a based on psycho- and socio- babble rather than factual analysis. Or maybe not.

Specter said...

mark...although it is off-topic, you should check out the lists of all the people Abramoff and his PACs gave money too. It ain't just Republicans pal. Wnat me to post the specifics? naw-why bother? You'll just say it's lies anyways and offer no proof.

Sincerely - I hope your mom gets better. Not fun when a parent needs help.

Peter UK said...

JB,
The extrapolation of hypotheses is the favoured method of the left,hypotheticals are their political credo,that is why they can never make anything work.All the fiddly bits that make up reality get in the way of their purity of thought.

Seneca the Younger said...

Missed that about your mother, Mark. What's up with her?

markg8 said...

Wow, we're the ones dealing in hypotheticals and alternate universe scenarios? Jesus fellas there were no WMD in Iraq, there were no operational ties between Saddam and Osama. Honest, ask anybody. Even Bush.

Seneca my mom has been in the hospital since October. She was admitted for a serious gastrointestinal infection and promptly got 2 more infections in the hospital which happens when your immune system is 77 years old and working overtime in a germ filled place. Then her doctors decided a triple bypass 9 days in was a good idea even though she was still sick as a dog. She has since had a minor stroke (they think) which has made her right arm useless and a mysterious dislocated shoulder which they reset. Her care is being dictated by diligent doctors who alternate between agressive treatment that in my layman's eyes are giving her more problems and giving up hope which coincides with Medicare and BCBS pressure to move on with her treatment or cut their losses.

Peter UK said...

"there were no WMD in Iraq, there were no operational ties between Saddam and Osama. Honest, ask anybody."

There you go again tying WMD and TERRORIST TRAINING together,"Hayes's upcoming article stating that Saddam Hussein's regime trained thousands of international terrorists in camps within Iraq in the years leading up to the war."
Are you unable to keep to the subject of the post?

terrye said...

mark:

According to Duefler and Kaye there were chemical agents in Iraq and enriched uranium and centrifuges in rose gardens and dozens of other illegal and poscribed elements.

As to what happened to the weapons stockpiles the UN and the Clinton administration swore were there people such as yourself offer no clues.

Just mindless babbling hatred. same old same old... you are like a broken record.

Saddam was an evil man, the fact that people like you miss him and wish he was in power says a lot of rather nasty things about you and your kind.

Patrick Tyson said...

Once here and once upon a time elsewhere:

Jamie Irons arrives at 4:00PM PST on 11/15/03...

MikeG asks if Roger has seen Master and Commander only seconds later...

I weigh in on the movie and not coming to premature conclusions on 11/16 at 1:27AM...

and Rick Ballard makes a prediction at 12:18PM on the same day...

http://rogerlsimon.com/archives/00000501.htm


...and so it goes.

MeaninglessHotAir said...

Patrick,

Nice find. It was before my time in this little world.

Rick said: "This war will require the expenditure of more money than blood."

It's hard to judge what that means, because it's apples to oranges. How much money is my blood worth. But, on the whole, I'd have to say that the prediction has been remarkably accurate.

Since you're averse to posting on politics, why don't you take the reins in your own hands and post something about movies? Send me an email.

terrye said...

patrick has a great deal of knowledge about literature as well.

Rick Ballard said...

Pat,

I'll second MHA's invitation regarding movies - or politics if you feel like it.

MHA,

I have considered the War on Terror to be analogous to the military action taken by the British (with occasional American help) to minimize piracy - or to end the Atlantic slave trade. Very time and treasure consuming but not particularly bloody, as measured against our Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea or Vietnam.

Piracy and the slave trade were based upon pecuniary motive and at root so is terrorist activity. Control of the black gold mines is the foundational issue and jihad makes a nice pretense to lure the front line suckers necessary - they don't even have to be paid as well as a pirate's crew.

OBL and Saddam both wanted the Saudi's (or Kuwaiti's) treasure and Arafat taught the world that terror was an effective tool in securing objectives that would be otherwise unobtainable.

I'm not sure that the war will be as long as I had first thought. If the Copperheads would sit down and shut up, regime change in Syria and Iran could be effected at relatively low cost. Once the Iranian nuclear capacity is eliminated (and the mullahs sent packing) all that will remain is active guard duty.

Buddy Larsen said...

Rick, yep, now that everybody and their grandmother knows precisely what the copperheads are up to wrt their anti-war act, they're surely not winning any new votes for their next set of electoral candidates. Ergo, any day now they should sit down and shut up, and let the nation get about its job. I can see 'em turning coat for a reason (winning the White House, say), but I can't 'em going to much effort otherwise. You know, as they would if they actually gave a sh*t.

Peter UK said...

From exchanges with commenters from the left it became clear that they cannnot understand that their rhetoric,in many cases,is indistinguishable from Headhackers Incorporated.
Zawahiri and the DNC sing from the same hymn sheet Alternative Universe

terrye said...

Peter:

One would think that might give them pause.

Buddy Larsen said...

Peter's link is very entertaining--Protein Wisdom. Good post, & lots of idiotarian commenters trying out their hash and getting served their (empty, and the last to know it) heads.

Peter UK said...

There was one numpty who enumerated the areas of agreement,but so what,failing to understand that politically Headhackers Incorporated and the DNC are on the same side and the electorate are beginning to notice.
More should be made of Murtha,Kennedy, Zahiri et al Zawahiri making the same speech.

markg8 said...

terrye talk about morons. Get your facts straight. Of course according to Duefler and Kaye there were chemical agents in Iraq. They had insecticide plants in a country
that is insect central every spring. One of Saddam's books was titled, and I paraphrase here, "Three creatures Allah never should have created: Persians, Jews and flies". They had all kinds of equipment and chemicals that could have been used or modified to make WMD like chlorine for water purification. But they weren't used to make WMD.

There was no enriched uranium. There was a lot of yellowcake, 500 tons worth at Al Tuwaitha where the UN inspectors found it still under UN seal in February 2003 just as they'd left it in the 1998. If Saddam had monkeyed with it I'm sure Colin Powell would have brought that up complete with satellite photos at his UN speech that same month. There were a few centrifuge parts and some drawings that had been buried under a rosebush in that scientist's backyard for over a decade not "centrifuges" or "enriched uranium". He led our people to it in hopes of getting a get out of Al Ghraib free card. Kay quit the job saying he essentially found nothing. That was unacceptable
to the administration so they brought in Duelfer to put a better spin on the meager findings and even he couldn't come up with more than wish lists, old plans and evidence that Saddam was such a defanged pariah too hot to do business with that the North Koreans ripped his son Qusay off for a $10 million deposit on missiles they never shipped.

"As to what happened to the weapons stockpiles the UN and the Clinton administration swore were there people such as yourself offer no clues."

What may have been there in 1998 was
gone by 2003 and a moot point anyway. Clinton didn't swear weapons were there, he said if we let sanctions slide Saddam would rebuild those capabilities. Clinton wasn't trying to get the idiotic Republican congress to launch an invasion of Iraq. Nor did he claim a war would be over by the Fourth of July or pay for itself. He was trying to get them to pony up a few hundred million to support Iraqi efforts to get rid of Saddam themselves. That's a big difference you conveniently ignore or have forgotten.

"Just mindless babbling hatred. same old same old... you are like a broken record."

Your babblings on the other hand are anything but consistent. Your revisionist history gets more exaggerated as time goes on.

"Saddam was an evil man, the fact that people like you miss him and wish he was in power says a lot of rather nasty things about you and your kind."

There's lots of evil men in the world. That doesn't mean I have to support ovethrowing them in favor of
what very well may be a government allied with other evil men in Iran at great expense in American blood, treasure, reputation, security and our constitution. The fact that you and your kind would sacrifice all of these and more says to me you're blinded by unmitigated fear. Take off the blinders.

Peter UK said...

"North Koreans ripped his son Qusay off for a $10 million deposit on missiles they never shipped."

So Iraq was actively trying to re-arm,against the UN resolutions and the terms of the ceasfire for Gulf WarI.
Sounds like a junky getting ripped off by a dealer,not someone who has kicked the habit.

markg8 said...

Where does it say these missiles were beyond the range proscribed by the UN resolutions and the terms of the Gulf War ceasefire Petey? You are, as usual jumping to conclusions. You sound like a war junky to me.

But back to the original topic. Hayes blew any credibility he had with his "Case Closed" spin on Doug Feith's memo. That slanted amateur reading of raw intelligence would be a joke if it hadn't been an example of the "intelligence" they used to justify the Iraq war.

Peter UK said...

So markg8, it is OK for the junky to buy a dime bag? If you remember, Saddam Hussein was supposed to show good faith on re-arming,buying missiles clandestinely from another rogue state,a state with nuclear weapons, is not evidence of good faith.

Interesting that you would Give Saddam Hussein the benefit of the doubt,but then again you read all your boyfriends books,

markg8 said...

"buying missiles clandestinely from another rogue state,a state with nuclear weapons, is not evidence of good faith."

Um show me the rule he broke by trying to buy those missiles and maybe I'll agree with you. Until then you're just Petey being Petey. But what else is new? And are you accusing me of having a homosexual relationship with Hussein? You're definately your old self now. Did you clean up the puddle you left after reading about those 3 terrorists the Italians arrested yet? Don't leave it for your mom, you know how she hates that.

Peter UK said...

Well Markg8 it certainly sounds like you have a crush on Saddam Hussein,many of you leftists worship dictators,Stalin,Mao,Castro,probably because you are weak individuals.Masculinity by proxy,you should have enlisted,it would have made a man of you.

Peter UK said...

A clue for you numpty, "clandestine"

markg8 said...

It was that numbnuts Roger Simon who used to have a crush on Mao, not me. I didn't even like Richard J. Daley let alone Saddam Hussein ya putz. Having my masculinity questioned by the likes of you...I try to let it bother me but it just doesn't. Oh well.

Peter UK said...

Your obsessions are beginning to show.but you are right not to worry about your masculinity,after all, at your age does it matter? You can always keep writing to those young students.

markg8 said...

That's the best ya got boy? LOL

Peter UK said...

By the sound of it old man,you haven't got anything,still you can always sit down to pee.