Guardian Unlimited | Comment is free | These ludicrous lies about the West and Islam

Sunday, August 13, 2006
Guardian Unlimited | Comment is free | These ludicrous lies about the West and Islam: "But even within the bleakest possible analysis of Mr Blair's foreign policy, it is still simply not true that the West is waging war on Islam. Just as it is not true that the CIA was really behind the 11 September attacks or any other arrant conspiratorial nonsense that enjoys widespread credence in the Middle East and beyond. It is also a logical and moral absurdity to imply, as some critics of British policy have done, that mass murder is somehow less atrocious when it is motivated by an elaborate narrative of political grievance.

If young British Muslims are alienated, that is sad and their anger should be addressed. But anyone whose alienation leads them to want to kill indiscriminately has crossed a line into psychopathic criminality. Policy cannot be dictated by the need to placate such people.

British Muslim leaders are entitled, along with everybody else, to raise questions about the conduct and consequences of Mr Blair's foreign policy. But they have a more immediate responsibility to promote the truth: that Britain is not the aggressor in a war against Islam; that no such war exists; that there is no glory in murder dressed as martyrdom and that terrorism is never excused by bogus accounts of historical victimisation."


Peter UK said...

This open letter to Tony Blair was signed by ALL the British Muslim groups.Note there is no hint of apology for the murder of 52 people and the maiming an injuring of a further 700 in the Tube bombing of 7/7.Nor is there a touch of remorse for the planned slaughter of thousands more,all there is is the standard victimology.There is also a hint of "This is a very nice little place you have here,pity to see anything happen to it".
Until Muslims accept responsibilty for the terrorist in their communities,there can be no progress.

terrye said...

Of course this is true. Killing people is not an acceptable form of political protest.

peter, it is not just Muslims. We have college professors in this country who try to blame 9/11 on Bush as well as calling the victims that day little Eichmans. It is more than religion.

Peter UK said...

Yes Terrye,but your dotty professors do not have a military wing,they ate just pathetic wannabees.This was a warning change your foreign policy or we will not be responsible.We have seen it all before with the IRA,"If you don't make a deal with the forces of moderastion,then there is nothing we can do to protect you from the bombers"Strangely the two were one and the same.

MeaninglessHotAir said...


You are right about the college professors.

Still, I very much doubt that Wardie has the courage of his convictions. While the professors love to preach the hatred, they don't have the cojones to do anything about it. The Muslims, on the other hand, do.

terrye said...

Well no doubt they are just mouthing off. Those people Peter is talking about remind me of the KKK who used to scare the hell out of people.

terrye said...

I wonder what the KKK would have been like if there had been an Isreal when they were strong? Scary to think about.

Peter UK said...

If you imagine a KKK protected by race relations and human rights laws,shielded by a media which will not publish cartoons and yet hangs on their every word......

David Thomson said...

“It is more than religion.”

Islamic nihilist have joined in a logically inconsistent relationship with secular leftists. The enemy of my enemy is my temporary friend. Their mutual hatred of the West is deemed of far greater importance than their seemingly irreconcilable differences.

"If you imagine a KKK protected by race relations and human rights laws"

That's a great point. The predominantly dark skins of our Islamic foes protects them in a manner unavailable to the members of the KKK.

Seneca the Younger said...

David, would you for God's sake look up the word "nihilist"? You're not using it right. A "nihilist" is someone who doesn't believe anything is real or meaningful, and who rejects all theories of religious or moral believe. The people you're talking about are about as far from being nihilists as it's possible to be: they not only believe very firmly in some things as being real and meaningful, and they are absolutely consumed with, and by, their acceptance of a theory of religious and moral belief.

I mean, cripes, man: this kind of recasting a word because it sounds bad, without considering what it means ... that's (cue ominous music) practically postmodern.

David Thomson said...

Frederick Nietzsche categorically rejected your severely restricted interpretation of nihilism:

“Nietzsche described Christianity as a nihilistic religion because it evaded the challenge of finding meaning in earthly life, creating instead a spiritual projection where mortality and suffering were removed instead of transcended.”

Nihilists of all stripes, secular and religious, despise this world. Suicide is eagerly sought. Life is an awful thing and we are all better off dead.

truepeers said...

I do not consider the Islamic terrorists strictly nihilistic, even with the death worship and suicide bombing. After all, they do seem to believe in one worldly project: restoration of the Caliphate and reduction of humanity to some medieval, Sharia-bound, mosque-going entity. Having said that, their coherent and possibly achievable belief does entail a rejection of much of what is actually in this world. So I'd say they are marginally less nihilistic than much of the western left. The point being: surely it is not ever possible to be an absolute nihilist in this world. Such "perfection" would require something more than suicide bombing or postmodern reading to realize!

Seneca the Younger said...

David, the fact that you can quote Nietzsche's non-standard definition, out of context, doesn't help much when the same article you're quoting says "Nihilism is a philosophical position which argues that the world, and especially human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following: there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator, a "true morality" is unknown, and secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has no truth, and no action is known to be preferable to any other."

That's completely contradictory to what islamists believe.

What's more, I've very suspicious that you don't mean to call Christianity a nihilistic religion, so --- other than having an authority to quote --- I'm not sure what it does for your argument.

Tru, I certainly don't want to defend the islamists, but the whole history of nihilism pretty much plays out on the part about there being no higher power or judge, therefore no meaning, no standard of morality, and no possibility of saying that one action was morally or ethically preferable to any other.

The position David's ascribing to the islamists is more like that of the gnostics and albigensians, ie, that this world is meaningless, but the next one, and obedience to God, is not.

MeaninglessHotAir said...


I don't think you're doing justice to the Cathars there. They believed that this world was hell, that it was corrupt and in opposition to the true God, but not that it was meaningless.

MeaninglessHotAir said...

In a sense, the Cathars were the distant predecessors of today's Leftists, come to think of it.

I read somewhere that the many of the regions in France in which the Cathars flourished were the very same regions in many cases in which there was great support for the Revolution years later. Now, having thought about the philosophical-religious underpinnings of modern-day Leftism, it makes perfect sense.

This is why Truepeers has always been calling the Leftists Gnostics, an appelation which has never seemed quite right to me. From this point of view, it finally makes sense.