Saturday, April 22, 2006

Was 'Secret Prisons' a Sting Operation?

Rick Moran at Right Wing Nuthouse asks the question and the European Union reports that there is no evidence of any secret prisons.

A Pulitzer Prize to Priest for a sting operation? Ha!


flenser said...

Since Plame was clearly a CIA sting run against the WH, it would be satisfying justice if the CIA traitors were themselves caught in a sting.

Syl said...

I really really doubt it. Rick cautioned us in a thread at JOM that the term 'secret prison' itself could be a media construct.

As in think of safe houses where terrorists could be kept and interrogated--don't look like prisons, do they?

Rick Ballard said...

It's definitely pressspeak - Guantanamo is a prison but its unsuitable for debriefing. If what I've read in spy novels for thirty years bears any relation at all to reality (and I believe that in this respect it does) 'debriefing' or interrorgation is most effective when done in isolation. Removing a terrorist of unknown intelligence value to a location where few people speak English or his native tongue seems reasonable to me. I'd pick Romania, Poland and Bulgaria if given a choice. Does a house on the periphery of a moderately sized Eastern European city used for interrogation count as a "secret prison"? In Dana Priest's febrile imagination it may. As a confirmed seditionist (or Machiavellian Marxist) she knows that she must expose the true enemy - the elected government of the United States - in the worst light possible. So safe houses become 'secret prisons' and interception of communications between terrorists and their agents in the US becomes 'domestic spying'.

It's a pity that hanging traitors is so difficult today.

David Thomson said...

The justice department during the Nixon era failed to file charges against Jane Fonda. It may be the single most important reason why this nonsense is presently so out of control.

Syl said...


with the climate of the time, filing charges against Fonda would have backfired big time and it would be even worse than it is today I think.

Fresh Air said...


I think you are correct. Someone on a thread at the Nuthouse suggested these "prisons" were merely way stations where CIA/DOD aircraft refueled on route from the Middle East. Whilst grabbing some sandwiches and jet fuel, they probably tossed a few terrorists in a cold room with a stone floor and made them listen to Boy George for a couple of hours until they cracked.

It would take a journalist from the Washington Post to turn that into a Turkish prison with thumbscrews and the rack.

terrye said...

My understanding is that the numbers of prisoners were in the dozens not hundreds or thousands, so a large basement could serve as a prison.

Knucklehead said...

Here's some data, jhr, on the relative safety of nuclear power generation.

Twenty years after Chernobyl there doesn't seem much evidence that it will have anywhere near the predicted impact. Estimates of death and other health problems have been revised down by an order of magnitude.

Nuclear power is the safest and cleanest large scale generation method in existence.

Fresh Air said...


I think you missed your thread target. But there is a Russian biker chick who rides her motorcycle round Chernobyl and films the ghost town. See this.

Evidently, it's pretty safe, though she does take a geiger counter with her.

Rick Ballard said...


I was just thinking that Chernobyl would be a wonderful site for a prison for terrorists. Might be a little tough to recruit guards, though.

terrye said...

Does anyone remember the name of that Soviet city that was created just to make nukes? It has been abandoned pretty much. I saw a story on 60 Minutes years ago about it and it was so creepy.