The thoughts of Mark Steyn...

Friday, April 07, 2006
From Hugh Hewitt: Steyn on immigration (& a fence), Cynthia McKinney's non-apology, and NBC's attempt to trap NASCAR.

7 comments:

terrye said...

Steyn does make one good point about how you know who is who.

Remember that movie East LA or something? The guy could not convince INS that he was born in East LA.

There will be real life problems like that.

Skookumchuk said...

This was especially good:

Well, I do think legal immigration, including the fence on the Southern border, has to be fixed, and has to be streamlined. And this is a bureaucratic agency that has a sort of pathological inability to prioritize.

If you haven't been able to control the border for 30 years, and if you suddenly get more money, will all your problems now be over?

Or should you give control over to some other agency, the Army, say, or to the private sector?

David Thomson said...

“There will be real life problems like that.”

We can live with this particular one. The real challenge is stopping the flow of new illegals into the country. Are we really putting up a wall like Israel’s---or just a few cheaply made fences? Also, what about an easily verifiable and hard to duplicate identity card?

Knucklehead said...

There will definitely be this sort of problem whatever the "solution" we finally arrive at. Heck, even if we do nothing this problem continues to exist.

Steyn uses this as some reason for supporting (or at least it seems he supports) a roundup. I fail to see why it isn't yet another reason why a roundup is a bad idea.

We've got to chop this problem into pieces, deal with the pieces that can be dealt with through some planned series of activities, and then grundge, nasty, and muddle our way through the remaining stuff. Nothing is going to clear this up 100% and nothing is going to deal with any of it quickly.

Dr. Alfred E. Einstone apparently was a fraud, took the money and ran, and was last seen on a beach in the Caymans.

We have to choke down the flow of new illegals as quickly and thoroughly as is humanly possible. Then we've got to find a sensible way to convert some sensible portion of the illegals already inhouse from illegal to legal. Then we need to find a reasonable way to make life difficult enough for the remainder so that some go home by their own devices and others are brought into the law enforcement system without swamping it and when all that is accomplished, probably no sooner than 5 or 8 years out, we're gonna have to figure out how to deal with the couple million or so who are still living "underground" in the US.

Does anyone really believe that either the congress or the American public has the attention span to continue the effort that long?

Knucklehead said...

Skook,

Do you suppose anyone has asked the DoD what they think it would take to secure the southern border to reduce, say, 1,000,000 million successful crossings by, say, 95%? What's needed, how long would it take?

Has anyone seen actual studies of any of this fence business? Assuming that armed resistance would be minimal, how many vehicles carrying how many people each does it take to close off the border while whatever combination or real and "virtual" fence is constructed? Is this something that would require 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 infantry divisions worth of people and transport? What kind of drones and sensors are required and how many?

DT,

I haven't heard a peep about a national identity card in any of these plans, have you? Do we really believe we can somehow figure out how to deal with the chronic, never ending problem of illegal aliens among us in the millions without some ID system a little bit better than 50 different driver's licenses that a big chunk of the HS and college kids in the country have fake versions of?

terrye said...

knucklehead:

Like Steyn said, he is a foreigner. He is also a very well off foreigner. I really like Steyn but it always annoys me when guys like him compare themselves to fruit pickers and nannies. I am a woman from Oklahoma and I can carry a tune, but that does not make me Reba.

In fact it could be argued that if it is difficlt to figure who these people are so that we can make some of them legal, it won't be any easier to figure out who they are so that we can round them up?

I remember reading somewhere that back in the Depression Mexicans were shipped out of the country to make work for the Okies, turned out that a lot of those folks were American citizens. But if they looked Mexican and sounded Mexican they were forced out.

I have not talked to anyone who is not obsessed with the issue who really believes a round up is possible. Remember Katrina with the people trapped in New Orleans? Imagine millions of people being rounded up and transported by force. It would be a circus.

Knucklehead said...

Skook,

Do you suppose anyone has asked the DoD what they think it would take to secure the southern border to reduce, say, 1,000,000 million successful crossings by, say, 95%? What's needed, how long would it take?

Has anyone seen actual studies of any of this fence business? Assuming that armed resistance would be minimal, how many vehicles carrying how many people each does it take to close off the border while whatever combination or real and "virtual" fence is constructed? Is this something that would require 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 infantry divisions worth of people and transport? What kind of drones and sensors are required and how many?

DT,

I haven't heard a peep about a national identity card in any of these plans, have you? Do we really believe we can somehow figure out how to deal with the chronic, never ending problem of illegal aliens among us in the millions without some ID system a little bit better than 50 different driver's licenses that a big chunk of the HS and college kids in the country have fake versions of?