Saturday, December 10, 2005

White Flag Democrats

The GOP has released its new ad, Retreat and Defeat.

The Democrats do not like it, not one little bit.


David Thomson said...

The outrage of the Democrats is hilarious to see. This add accurately quotes them. Nothing is taken out of context. They have no one to blame but themselves. And yes, it is hurting them severely.

Syl said...

The Democrats believe the MSM. That's why the New York Times (especially) is harmful to them. I think the Dems were blindsided by good news from Iraq and Bush's speech on Veteran's Day. It threw them into disarray and they still have not recovered.

Ceci (sp?) Connoly on NewsWatch tonite said that contrary to what critics say, the MSM follows public opinion, doesn't lead it, and public opinion turned against the war so they did too.

And so did the Democrats. (Symbiotic relationship if I ever saw one.)

Of course Ceci is wrong. Unless she can point to all the independent news sources the average American is privy to that made them turn sour on the war, I blame the MSM and call 'fowl' on Ceci.

The Dems have no special curiosity about what is really going on in Iraq and regard the MSM as the last word.

So if the Dems completely fall apart because they believe we are losing, we can blame that on the MSM too! I love it.

Peter UK said...

There is a stirring song for every occasion

Brave Sir Robin ran away,
Bravely ran away, away
When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly, he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge

Doug said...

Thanks, Peter.

John Stewart Mill, of his own free will
on half a pint of shanty was particularly ill
Plato, they say, could stick it away
'alf a crate of whiskey every day
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his dram
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart:
"I drink, therefore I am."

Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed

Somewhere between there and here, the Dems exchanged the Socratic Method for the Dingbatic.

Peter UK said...

Thanks Doug,
We must always remember the fierce Democratic war cry,Iaznab,Iaznab!

Peter UK said...

Are they perhaps putting too much nuance in le hairspray?

Doug said...

insurgent campaign leader dies

Doug said...

"It was a tragic year for the Democratic Party and for responsible politics, in a way," McCarthy said in a 1988 interview.

"There were already forces at work that might have torn the party apart anyway _ the growing women's movement, the growing demands for greater racial equality, an inability to incorporate all the demands of a new generation.

"But in 1968, the party became a kind of unrelated bloc of factions ... each refusing accommodation with another, each wanting control at the expense of all the others.

Doug said...

"Instead of giving people a chance to earn a living, McCarthy said, the Great Society
"became affirmative action and more welfare.
It was an admission the New Deal had failed or fallen.

Barry Dauphin said...


So Ceci thinks that most of the public has some independent access to the events from Iraq other than the MSM. Well some of us do, but most people still follow TV news and radio and the large papers, etc. Ceci gives the word "disingenuous" a whole new meaning.

terrye said...

Cici does not which comes first, the chicken or the egg.

Just this morning I caught the tail end of some report of Iraqi soldiers in Ramadi not standing to fight. And of course there were some complaints of ghost soldiers, etc.

This is Ramadi after all, some guy might be hesitant to shoot his own tribesman if he has to wonder if the US is just gooing to bug out in 6 months and leave him holding the bag.

I think that Casey is right when he says the Iraqis are getting better everyday, but the defeatists are feeding the fear of the Iraqis that we will abnandon them just like we did the Viet Namese.

Even the terrorists are using Viet Nam against us.

markg8 said...

In a democracy you have to honestly present your case for war to the public at home to maintain support. If you're going to occupy a country it has to be done above board with effective security or you'll never win the support of the occupied. That's hard enough to do under the best of circumstances. Even if you're going to engage in wholesale slaughter (like Saddam) and state terror (like the Brits tried with poison gas in the 1920s) the stick isn't going work in an Arab country like Iraq which was predisposed to distrust us to begin with. You'd better have a lot of carrots to hand out. We don't. The net benefit to Iraqis hasn't been near enough for them to consider any government that has to be protected by Americans as anything but stooges. Training death squads isn't going to make Iraq a better country than it was under Saddam. We set up the SAVAK in Iran under the Shah and look how well that turned out. Iraqis were outraged at those 170+ prisoners held in that basement. They don't want warring gangs of mask wearing goons roaming their neighborhoods. They want electricity 24 hours a day, potable running water in their faucets and the sewage out of their streets.

So instead of a victory strategy in Iraq we get a divisive strategy here at home. Anyone who questions the means and methods of the Bush administration is attacked as a defeatist or worse, a traitor. Karl Rove's strategy is to divide this country as badly as it was from 1968 to 1973 to distract us from the disastrous policy. It worked for Nixon in 1972 afterall. I expected this fullblown propaganda campaign last summer after Rove's speech in NYC. It's a desperate ploy to cover up their own failures that's bound to be overcome by events. Most Americans don't believe in "my country right or wrong". We believe when our country is wrong we change it.

Rumsfeld's been making the rounds of news shows lately saying we'll probably bring down troop levels from 155,000 to 137,000 after the elections. Is he signalling to the insurgents "they're winning"? No, he's responding to pressure. Not from the left, but from the Pentagon. This war is wrecking our volunteer Army. It's not structured for open ended occupations and wars of attrition. All the cynical political bombast in the world isn't going to change that.

chuck said...

Rumsfeld's been making the rounds of news shows lately saying we'll probably bring down troop levels from 155,000 to 137,000 after the elections.

I thought that was on the schedule for at least a year and have been expecting it. But then, I try to be informed. Some of us, it seems, can't be bothered.

markg8 said...

Chuck that may well have been on the schedule for the last year. Still doesn't explain why Rummy is making the rounds talking about it now does it? Especially when others in the adminstration are castigating anyone
calling for any troop withdrawals as white flag waving defeatists.

Another thing that doesn't help? Surreptiously planting propaganda in the Iraqi and American press to make
their case. It doesn't fix any sewers or electrical substations and just undermines trust in the media in both countries.

chuck said...

It doesn't fix any sewers or electrical substations and just undermines trust in the media in both countries.

Gosh, Mark, doesn't help fix sewers? Dean and Kos do I suppose? And you too? I don't think so, it is just a made up BS talking point for you that expresses no real conviction. Anyway, FreeIraqi had a good post on the stories in the Iraqi papers.

Syl said...

Mark has made up his own country. Filled it with imaginary people. And sent in an imaginary army to occupy it. The problem is the name he gave this country is Iraq but that name is already taken.

markg8 said...

Nope Dean and Kos don't fix any sewers in Iraq. The Repubs control our government remember? As members of the opposition party it's their duty to oppose policies they see as wrong. It's the duty of the party in power to govern effectively. If Bush's government has a valid argument to make about it's policies in Iraq or anywhere else it ought to make it directly, put their credibility on the line instead of paying third parties under the table to sell it for them. It sort of lends the argument an air..of what's the word I'm looking for...honesty.
That's hard to do when you have so little credibility I know, but you gotta start somewhere.

chuck said...

Nope Dean and Kos don't fix any sewers in Iraq. The Repubs control our government remember? As members of the opposition party it's their duty to oppose policies they see as wrong.

Cop out. First you raise the point, then disavow any responsibility. Sorry, markg8, sounds to me like you are just lazy and would prefer to rev your mouth than actually do anything.

markg8 said...

Chuck when Repub leadership actually goes back to adhering to rules in congress like letting Dems particpate in writing bills in committee, appropriating money in appropriation bills instead of sticking in thousands of earmarks in gigantic year end budget bills and closing votes in the alloted time instead of leaving them open and twisting arms for hours until they get what they want let me know. Otherwise I have no choice but to accept that the Repubs control everything in DC at the expense of the Republic, because they do.

Sadly Howard Dean has been prescient
about everything he's said about Iraq since 2002. And as much as none of you guys like to hear it he's probably right again. Our chances of "victory" in Iraq weren't very good to begin with. As soon as the latest government feels it's death squads are good enough to protect it's leaders from all comers they'll ask us to leave. If Bush doesn't acquiesce they'll ask louder. Then we'll see just how good their newly trained bodyguards really are.

Peter UK said...

This Howard Dean? Prescient is a euphemism for chicken?
Did he get a deferment for this war as well?

markg8 said...

Hmmmm...Petey being British can't be a yellow elephant so what to call him? I guess chickenhawk will have to do. Petey your army is having recruting problems just like ours. Seems sensible young Brits aren't volunteering in enough numbers to be
shot at either.

And citing Justin Raimondo from Maybe you ought to go read some of this other stuff boy. What a fool.

Peter UK said...

Or perhaps this Howard Dean?
Will the real Runner Dean stand up.

Peter UK said...

But Raimondo sounds so like you.Obviously the left is coming apart at the seams,only fourteen surrendering days left to Christmas.

Chickenhawk how cliched,you better get another crib sheet from Deaniac central office,you are repeating yourself.Howie,if you are reading this,your troll Mark Garrity is not worth the money.Dime a line Deanibot he may be,but value for money? As much use as a chocolate sun hat.

By the way Mook, did you serve or were you in the 1,000 metres with Howard Dean,and Bill Clinton,Patriotboy?

Peter UK said...

Of course Howard Dean is in good company with George Galloway
Why don't the Deaniacs call their party Respect,then the Decent Democrats can have their party back

markg8 said...

Petey I gotta tell ya it sucks to come here looking for intelligent discourse and only finding posts by you.

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Peter UK said...

But Mookie,you wouldn't know intelligent discourse if was stapled to your penis.Nobody wants to engage you in conversation,you are the pile on the sidewalk that everyone walks round.
Your retarded,ignorant opinions are second hand,the same dross we have all heard from a thousand gibbering little shits like you,who have graduated from spraying messages on toilet walls.
Have you not got the message? You are so boring it is like watching a plank warp.

markg8 said...

Petey you really musn't drink so much. You could fall down and hurt yourself.

Peter UK said...

What is that Pukie number 147 in the playbook.Heard it before,get some originallity little man,you really are a disappointing specimen.
You should join the army,it would make a man out of you.